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Gerrard; falling out with Benitez
Topic Started: Oct 23 2007, 10:37 AM (386 Views)
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Several papers report Gerrard being angry/concerned about the events surrounding him being substituted on Saturday and that he wants a 'showdown' with Benitez.

Obviously papers sensationalise this sort of stuff, but the club has to unequivacably support Benitez on this. If Gerrard gets a whiff of sympathy from the board there'll be troubled times ahead for Liverpool.

Gerrard, like Shearer before him, epitomises the club he plays for in the supporters eyes, but if Gerrard falls out with the manager and the manager is the one who has to leave the repurcusions within the club are very destabalising. Right now it might be better for Liverpool to be owned by Americans rather than the Moores family, who might well support Gerrard.

Benitez obviously believes Gerrard needs a kick up the backside. This has all been so public Gerrard will feel the pain. Gerrard needs to accept this and work on raising his game to its previous elevated heights, if he takes his ball home with him about this, that would be bad for Liverpool. If he seeks a sympathetic ear from the club and gets it, that would be devastating for Liverpool.
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I wonder when things might come to a head with those two. Gerrard has rotated more times than a chopper blade and he hasn't always looked happy with that, and now the latest. It's a question of who is the more dispensable, great player or astute coach? I think Gerrard may get the nod at the moment.
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I read that Benitez had a chat with Gerrard and they sorted it out with Gerrard accepting that it was for the good of the team. Which story to believe? :unsure:

I do agree that there will be big problems if Gerrard is seen to have too much "hold" over the club though as it would mean he's undroppable.
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Oct 23 2007, 10:52 AM


I do agree that there will be big problems if Gerrard is seen to have too much "hold" over the club though as it would mean he's undroppable.

Then he becomes Shearer and the manager plays second fiddle to him. Shearer may have been reveered on Tyneside but his influence at the club was not constructive.
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its sensationalism...

Headlines reading stuff like "Gerrard Angry at Rafa"

and then when reading the piece you find he said he was a bit miffed at coming off but now understands why it happened.


The reports and interviews with both the player and manager are on the official site and icliverpool, in which they state that both have spoken of the reasons why and all is fine now.

The papers love a story, anything that can possibly sell a few extra broadsheets
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Oct 23 2007, 10:57 AM
its sensationalism...

Headlines reading stuff like "Gerrard Angry at Rafa"

and then when reading the piece you find he said he was a bit miffed at coming off but now understands why it happened.


The reports and interviews with both the player and manager are on the official site and icliverpool, in which they state that both have spoken of the reasons why and all is fine now.

The papers love a story, anything that can possibly sell a few extra broadsheets

Agreed, but it's usually tabloids not broadsheet sales that increase on the back of these stories.

Glad you've seen/read a fuller interview. Gerrard being grown up about it is important to Liverpool.

Did he need the kick up the backside IYO?
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not necessarily a kick up the backside, maybe a timely reminder that he's not the be all and end all.

But I honestly don't think thats why rafa subbed him, it was nothing to do with sending a message out to gerrard it was purely and simply him looking at what tactics might win the game. The fact that his subs actually helped to do that vindicates him completely.

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When you are a manager you need to make decisions, not just think about them.
 
"You must think how you can win the game. Every player is the same for me when you are trying to win a game.
 
"We have talked because every player would be disappointed, especially Gerrard because it was a derby. He wanted to score the winning goal, but he is okay. After some time he'll understand that it was an idea and I was thinking about the best for the team."
 
Gerrard looked disappointed at being withdrawn against his bitter rivals – something which didn't surprise his manager.
 
"You know when you change a player he must show that he wants to play, but I think he was okay at the end.


that was from rafa shortly after the match and before their discussion......

and from stevie before hand too...

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I'm a local lad so the derby is really important to me and I would have liked nothing better than to play the full game and to be on the pitch when we got the winner," said Gerrard.
 
"But as it turned out I was taken off and Lucas Leiva who replaced me played a crucial role in us getting the winning goal.
 
"I was hurt and disappointed at being taken off because, like I said, I'm a local lad and the derby means everything to me.
 
"I'll be speaking to the manager about it just to find out why I was substituted, but I won't be banging on his door or anything like that.
 
"We'll just have a chat and whatever is said will remain between us. But I've been in the game long enough to know that no-one is going to play every minute of every game and there will be times when I'm taken off like everyone else.
 
"The most important thing is that we won the game.
 
"When we lost there last season it left a bad feeling that didn't go away for quite some time, so it is good to get that out of our systems."
 
By his own admission, the inspirational midfielder has not been in top form in recent weeks, but after receiving some tremendous backing from the travelling fans during an improved display at Goodison Park, he is keen to say thank you for their support.
 
"The way the fans got behind me was fantastic and I loved it," he said.
 
"I know I haven't been at my best lately but I'm doing everything I can to get back there and having that kind of backing really does make a difference.
 
"I'm working back towards my best and knowing the fans are behind me will definitely help me get there much quicker."




Does that sound like two people in the middle of all out war with each other?

Rafa has basically said that as a manager you have to make these calls and Gerrard agrees that eventually it was the right decision. Its just been made more of a meal of because it was the Derby.

A week from now we'll here nothing more on it and everything will be forgotten, but i really am amazed at the amount of threads and posts about it that are suggesting these two are almost ready to kill each other :blink:
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Thanks for the comprehensive view. Tabloids as ever building/making up the story.

My concern is more to explore the damaging impacts of a player having too much power. Shearer did have too much sway at Newcastle, much as he is idolised on Merseyside, I don't wish to see Gerrard have that much power at your club..for the good of the game (and overall competition)

I'm a Gerrard fan, btw. :)
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if you read over everything gerrard has said in the past he near enough idolises Rafa. Its so much like a father and son thing you would believe it. The situation just wouldnt arise as to which one to choose between
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Yeah, it's obvious this is done to sell a few tabloids, Benietez has a strong relationship with Gerrard and have a great understanding of one another.

Rafa Benitez is standing by his decision to substitute Steven Gerrard in the derby – and has spoken to his skipper at Melwood this morning.
Gerrard was replaced by Lucas with the scores level midway through the second half of the 206th Merseyside derby.

Benitez told Liverpoolfc.tv: "When you are a manager you need to make decisions, not just think about them.

"You must think how you can win the game. Every player is the same for me when you are trying to win a game.

"We have talked because every player would be disappointed, especially Gerrard because it was a derby. He wanted to score the winning goal, but he is okay. After some time he'll understand that it was an idea and I was thinking about the best for the team."

Gerrard looked disappointed at being withdrawn against his bitter rivals – something which didn't surprise his manager.

"You know when you change a player he must show that he wants to play, but I think he was okay at the end."
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Okay guys I'm convinced :)

Just another few million to go B)
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meh, some seem to just want to believe anything that comes about

whats just so incredible is that one substitution gives everyone this ammunition

If it had been fergie subbing neville in a match and they went on to win that game 2-1 with a goal scored after nevilles substitution everyone would hail him as a genius......
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Well maybe, it wasn't that long ago that the tabloids were creating Fergie must go stories.

It's just temperature and prevailing wind at any given time. If things aren't so hot and it appears that there might be some mumurings, they're straight in making a tornedo out of it.
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yup, which is why i rarely read a paper anymore, virtually nothing there to believe anymore
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Oct 23 2007, 11:09 AM
meh, some seem to just want to believe anything that comes about

whats just so incredible is that one substitution gives everyone this ammunition

If it had been fergie subbing neville in a match and they went on to win that game 2-1 with a goal scored after nevilles substitution everyone would hail him as a genius......

how can you possibly compare Neville to Gerrard?

Nevilles 3 times the player Gerrard dreams he could become :cheeky:
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