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What Is World Class?
Topic Started: Oct 23 2007, 03:40 PM (618 Views)
Skidaddle
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Oct 23 2007, 02:52 PM
Figo,Zidane are what you truely call world class for people to brand the likes of Lampard world class is im my opinion a crime and anyoen who says this must be sent to a dentention camp where they will learn a valuable lesson and then he/she must learn never to commit such a crime again.

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Oct 23 2007, 03:09 PM
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Oct 23 2007, 02:52 PM
Figo,Zidane are what you truely call world class for people to brand the likes of Lampard world class is im my opinion a crime and anyoen who says this must be sent to a dentention camp where they will learn a valuable lesson and then he/she must learn never to commit such a crime again.

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Ye or Michael Barrymoores swimming pool, now that would scare you for life B)
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Oct 23 2007, 04:07 PM
:rofl: I think you are taking this too far now Homer!


Lets assess each of the options...


  • Any decent player I (you) choose) - lol Definitely not.

  • Star club player e.g. Lampard. Maybe, but only if they are playing at a top club in a decent league or their performances stand out so much that they would do well at a top club.

  • Noteworthy international player e.g. Healy. Maybe, but only if they are a star club player as well. This doesn't warrant the title "world class" on it's own.

  • Star international player e.g. Riquelme. Another maybe but only if they perform at club level too.

  • Positionally one of the best 2 (or 3) players in the world e.g. Kaka. This could be a winner and takes into account both club and International football.

  • Someone who'd be picked in World's best 11 e.g. Zidane. That would mean only 11 players can ever be considered world class.


Thanks for the update Flak and you are exactly right in your assessment, that's pretty much how I saw the breakdown.

In the end I think most people will come down to the last 3 categories but even here there's quite a wide disparity between being a star/influential international and being good enough for the World's best 11.

I also think people choose that category 3 = world class when it's one of their favourites.
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manu22
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medals define it too. would zizou be considered if he played the games without winning a thing??
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Oct 23 2007, 04:14 PM
medals define it too. would zizou be considered if he played the games without winning a thing??

Here's a thing, I do not believe medals define it at all. They may reflect some of their class, but if George Best hadn't played for Utd and never won a competition wouldn't he still be world class? Same for a Johan Cryuff.

Football is a team game so teams win medals, with the exception of Maradona in his absolute pomp, individual players do not win tournaments, teams do. So the team may be defined as world class but not necessarily everyone (or anyone) in it. Greece are the defending Euro champs, do they have any world class players?
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i agree but if ur world class shouldnt u be in a team befitting the greatest and winning the best prize? u never answered my question doe ig zizou never won a thing would he be reegarded world class??
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The welsh wizard
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good point talking sense. its depend on the player i guess..zidane wouldent have been the player he was without the success with frence and same with maradona in argantina but there was alot of world class players in the past that didnt won much with their national team
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Lampard, to be frank.
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manu22
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if beckham won the world cup would he have been percieved as world class?
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I'm with Sense, medals don't really count for much. There's some truly crud players that have winners medals. Although you would expect real top class players to have medals, I don't think it's necessary because the player could choose to stick playing for a club that he loves (Shearer, I know he has a medal with Blackburn btw) or he could be stuck in an International team with inferior players (Berbatov, Shevchenko?).
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Oct 23 2007, 03:38 PM
if beckham won the world cup would he have been percieved as world class?

he would have become a legend but i dont think he would have been put on the same level as zidane\maradona
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no i agree but world class has so much power and meaning that i believe u need everything out of that list plus more courage inspire, and determination to win including medal i.e ambition. like batistuta he realised he needed to win something so moved to roma and justified it
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Pascal Cygan has medals.
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Oct 23 2007, 03:50 PM
Pascal Cygan has medals.

now ur being riddiculous didnt u read what i said i didnt say world class merited medals only just saying its part of it whether u like it or not it gives u recognition and puts u on another level.
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Ricky
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Jesper Blomqvist won the treble with united, medals theory wont stack up imo.

I don't understand why certain players like Gerrard, Lampard etc are considered world class when the clearly are'nt as good as Zidane, why can't they just be labelled a Great player in Gerrard's case
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