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English Players In Pl At Record Low
Topic Started: May 28 2008, 12:38 PM (257 Views)
stacie
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flak
May 29 2008, 05:06 PM
Arsenal have been linked with Agbonlahor, Reo-Coker and Woodgate all in recent years.

Exactly. Reo-freaking-joker :lol:

Any quota should be for the purpose of seeing more clubs develop English players rather than just buying them in ready made and already at international level. No one seems to be fussed about how many English players the top clubs are actually contributing to the younger national teams because that's what we should be looking at.
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There's nothing wrong with Reo-Coker, he's a good player. :P

Trouble is, the top clubs might develop more English players but will they be as good as players the other countries are bringing through and will they still be able to compete in the Champions League with more homegrown players. :S
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I don't think we would compete that well. We'd lose good foreigners because they'd go elsewhere (or back home) for football rather than lose spots to average Englishmen. I doubt we could churn out enough top footballers for the Big 4 to each have 8 or 9.

Suddenly, Brazil's top league would become the one to watch :lol:
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man utd fielded enough players to furfill blatters 6 plus 5 ruling in the champion league final. yet only 2 of them had been "trained" by man utd through the youth accadamy.

the reason is that many of the lower teams spent money on players and because english players r more expensive had to buy other equivalents sunderland bought jones, ethutu and some irish players. fulham pritty much swapped all there english players for northern irish players and birmingham and wigan bought alot of foreign players in to their squads reading have few englishmen aswell. its more the lower teams in the league than the higher ones bet this season well have 20 more start because i cant see hull or stoke buying alot of players
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flak
May 29 2008, 09:06 PM
Trouble is, the top clubs might develop more English players but will they be as good as players the other countries are bringing through and will they still be able to compete in the Champions League with more homegrown players. :S

I agree. This may be a bit out of the box but instead of concentrating on english players in english leagues, if the FA really want to improve the future of the England national team they should spend some of the vast sums of money they make into sending youngsters to foreign coaching schools like those of France and Spain and Italy to develop their technical ability.

This would improve the England team 100 times more than trying to promote english players in an english league which is pretty one dimensional in their development imo.
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Even man utd and chelsea, with all their english players, would suffer if the rule came in tomorrow. With injuries, suspensions and tactics in mind it wouldn't always be easy unless you had far more than 6 top English players. The rule seems a bit far-fetched, maybe change the quota numbers around a little bit.
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May 29 2008, 09:30 PM
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Trouble is, the top clubs might develop more English players but will they be as good as players the other countries are bringing through and will they still be able to compete in the Champions League with more homegrown players. :S

I agree. This may be a bit out of the box but instead of concentrating on english players in english leagues, if the FA really want to improve the future of the England national team they should spend some of the vast sums of money they make into sending youngsters to foreign coaching schools like those of France and Spain and Italy to develop their technical ability.

This would improve the England team 100 times more than trying to promote english players in an english league which is pretty one dimensional in their development imo.

See, I don't understand why we're not sending more of our players abroad. Obviously they're comfortable here and may not want to deal with learning a new language or whatever but I think it would help. They all play in the same league which means that any one year only a fraction of them will experience the challenge of a title battle and winning a league.
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May 29 2008, 09:33 PM
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May 29 2008, 09:30 PM
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May 29 2008, 09:06 PM
Trouble is, the top clubs might develop more English players but will they be as good as players the other countries are bringing through and will they still be able to compete in the Champions League with more homegrown players. :S

I agree. This may be a bit out of the box but instead of concentrating on english players in english leagues, if the FA really want to improve the future of the England national team they should spend some of the vast sums of money they make into sending youngsters to foreign coaching schools like those of France and Spain and Italy to develop their technical ability.

This would improve the England team 100 times more than trying to promote english players in an english league which is pretty one dimensional in their development imo.

See, I don't understand why we're not sending more of our players abroad. Obviously they're comfortable here and may not want to deal with learning a new language or whatever but I think it would help. They all play in the same league which means that any one year only a fraction of them will experience the challenge of a title battle and winning a league.

Also the coaching system is geared towards a particular type of player. The big strong powerful kids getting the preference over smaller kids who may have more technical ability because thats what matters in the english league. The system sucks from grass roots here.

If my kid wanted to go into football I would urge him to go abroad, AND secondly get him into some sort of Fußball training.
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And that is exactly why England play the way they do when international duty rolls around. We don't have the technique. Maybe it's England's slightly snobbish attitude towards football, but our kids don't grow up learning sexy skills, they just play football to win, however boring it might be. You get a lot of parents insulting and abusing coaches who try to introduce a silkier way of playing if it's at the cost of a trophy. Other countries are taking the game to new levels but we're not moving.
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If they want to look at it properly what they should do is look at how many english players are playing in ALL leagues, and compare that with players of other countries. This is just a headline grabbing load of bollox
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I agree, I think it's just an excuse to be rolled out whenever the country is disappointed. I wonder if this is for the good of football everywhere or just to put an end to the growing strength of the EPL :unsure:

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its all a load of rubbish most of the english players are over rated there are more football clubs for youngsters in england than ever b4 if they are good enough they will make it there is less talent coming through because less kids are playing footy more and more kids spend there time smashing phone boxes and bus stops and getting p***ed than playing footy how can they be expected to play sport when most of the time there p***ed or stoned!! its not forigners ruining our game its ticket prices and poor parenting on the continent kids spend more time studying and spending time with families and doing sports than ours
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its all a load of rubbish most of the english players are over rated there are more football clubs for youngsters in england than ever b4 if they are good enough they will make it

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May 29 2008, 09:04 PM
its all a load of rubbish most of the english players are over rated there are more football clubs for youngsters in england than ever b4 if they are good enough they will make it there is less talent coming through because less kids are playing footy more and more kids spend there time smashing phone boxes and bus stops and getting p***ed than playing footy how can they be expected to play sport when most of the time there p***ed or stoned!! its not forigners ruining our game its ticket prices and poor parenting on the continent kids spend more time studying and spending time with families and doing sports than ours

Well how do you get kids interested in footie again? by showing them that more and more English players are being used by the clubs.... I must say I'm finding all this whining about the FIFA wanting to destroy the EPL so incredibly stupid and selfcentred... These new rules will affect everyone!!!! They will not just be annoying for the english... Anyway these new rules are meant to lessen the effect of money on football... so that those competitions that are not blessed by russian/thai/other billionaire have a chance to keep improving instead of slowly sliding down into utter decay, because all the money goes to three big competitions, as do all the talents from those samller countries... What I'm trying to say is STOP WHINING, you do not have it bad. Not like our dutch Eredivisie or the belgian competition has it hard :angry:
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