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Germany Vs England
Topic Started: Jun 25 2008, 09:50 PM (660 Views)
treble
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What is it about the germans they just keep doing enough to go through. You can never right them off. With the exception of a couple of players personally I don't think it's a particularly good german side and yet they keep getting to finals. They don't have the flair of a spanish or dutch team or the reliable defence of an italian side. The germany players are not imo better man for man then the england players except in maybe 1 or 2 positions.

So why can't England do what the Germans do? Is it something mentally in the German team that they always believe they will win, or is it because the germans have a methodical and almost robotic outlook to life in general? Just thinking about other things they're good at like making cars.
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They believe that they can and will win.
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Jun 25 2008, 09:51 PM
They believe that they can and will win.

It has to be more than that. I think each player is told to do something and they go out there and just stick to that. No moaning, no sulking, no emotion, just go out there and do what you been told to do. That's why I think it's more to do with germany as a nation...
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they play all 11 players in their natural positions not trying to fit 2 or 3 players in on reputation

they are also drilled to play the position. in some youth games if a player is subbed off from the other team they will swap the player that was marking him asif to say that was ur job its not there anymore so here is someone to do the new job
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i think its also a lot to do with them working together as a team far better, as the pundits said a few times, germanys team is not very good, but as a unit they are excellent.

I dont know if they get more time together but they certainly seem to work harder for each other rather than a bunch of prima donners who seem more interested in their images at times. You can see it in how they talk to each other, real passion and drive in the shouting between the players, something you dont seem to see as much of from ours.

Its that which inspires belief and a drive to get the most out of the game, as a team they gel better than any team in the world in my opinion, as individuals they are nothings special but together they are good enough to beat any team in the world on their day
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Jun 25 2008, 09:56 PM
they play all 11 players in their natural positions not trying to fit 2 or 3 players in on reputation

I agree they do that, but if england did the same, even though man for man the england players would be arguably better I could still not see England doing what Germany do time and time and time again.
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Jun 25 2008, 09:54 PM
makethat10
Jun 25 2008, 09:51 PM
They believe that they can and will win.

It has to be more than that. I think each player is told to do something and they go out there and just stick to that. No moaning, no sulking, no emotion, just go out there and do what you been told to do. That's why I think it's more to do with germany as a nation...

Well I dont think so, they go out their to do a job, and they do it. I dont think England have that belief, spirit or maybe even pride that the Germans have. Its their mind set, player for player, England are a better team, so it hs to be the mind-set.
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Jun 25 2008, 10:00 PM
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Jun 25 2008, 09:54 PM
makethat10
Jun 25 2008, 09:51 PM
They believe that they can and will win.

It has to be more than that. I think each player is told to do something and they go out there and just stick to that. No moaning, no sulking, no emotion, just go out there and do what you been told to do. That's why I think it's more to do with germany as a nation...

Well I dont think so, they go out their to do a job, and they do it. I dont think England have that belief, spirit or maybe even pride that the Germans have. Its their mind set, player for player, England are a better team, so it hs to be the mind-set.

Isn't that what I was saying? :unsure: Where does that mindset come from, germany as a nation, how you're brought up in all walks of life. They are methodical and systematic which translates to everything including sport and in particular football.
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What Jimmy said, the simple answer is teamwork. Much like how Egypt keep winning the African Nations. The best players don't necessarily make the best team, look at Barcelona and all of their problems the past 2 years. Capello needs to find the right blend of players for them to be effective.
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I think I misunderstood your question. I think you're right that as a nation they have that mindset but also I think that the English players play with fear, fear of failing and what may be wrote in the newspapers about them following them games.
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sometimes england try to do too much.... germany know they have no flair so they sick to playing with what they do have
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Jun 25 2008, 10:06 PM
What Jimmy said, the simple answer is teamwork. Much like how Egypt keep winning the African Nations. The best players don't necessarily make the best team, look at Barcelona and all of their problems the past 2 years. Capello needs to find the right blend of players for them to be effective.

Aye I agree with what Jimmy's said to a certain extent.I don't see it as a lack of teamwork completely from England. Ignoring the Euros qualifiers which down to poor management by MacLaren, there has been as much teamwork by England in the previous world cups and euro's under Sven. They just don't have the mind-set imo.

BTW I wasn't saying England are much better I just don't see England or Germany like a Spain, Holland, Italy or France, hence why I wondered out of England and Germany why one just manages to get to finals and yet the other fails.
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Maybe england would be better having a german manager :ph43r: :unsure:
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Some of the possible reasons why England fail/have failed in the past:

1. Expectations / pressure on them to win and fear of what will happen if they don't.
2. Team selection, players out of form picked, trying to fit square pegs into round holes etc. The best players don't make the best team. Managers scared of dropping the star players.
3. Not suited to International football since all of the players play in the Premiership and that style doesn't win in Europe....why the top 4 all go 4-5-1 in the CL.
4. Bad luck
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Jun 25 2008, 10:30 PM
Some of the possible reasons why England fail/have failed in the past:

1. Expectations / pressure on them to win and fear of what will happen if they don't.
2. Team selection, players out of form picked, trying to fit square pegs into round holes etc. The best players don't make the best team. Managers scared of dropping the star players.
3. Not suited to International football since all of the players play in the Premiership and that style doesn't win in Europe....why the top 4 all go 4-5-1 in the CL.
4. Bad luck

if they don't know by now what will happen they never will know :P
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