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Frank Laughing All The Way To The Bank; But why did Chelsea leave it so late?
Topic Started: Jul 23 2008, 12:39 AM (475 Views)
RetardedDwarf
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Jul 23 2008, 11:26 PM
Chelsea are caving in on earnings all over. It appears they are desperate to keep their squad on huge slaries. Without RA they'd soon be bankrupt and it's laughable about being in profit in a year or two. Kenyon is no great negotiator, he's just caving in.

And btw this is bad for football all round because it just raises expectations, not just at the top but throughout the PL.

If CFC were caving in, they would have offered FL what he was asking for. Lamps has been asking for more for last 18 months and CFC have been saying no and are still saying no. How is that caving in??????????
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Jul 23 2008, 11:29 PM
Like I said, Chelsea, United, Barca, and Madrid are ruining football...

DaGunners,

Chelsea and Real Madrid are leading the silly bugg4r money. RM always have and if you want to compete with the absolute best then you have to operate near the same mark. Chelsea have come in with absolutely stupid money deep into their squad, paying reserves (Bridge) £80k/week and giving 30 years olds (Essien, Lampard) long (5 year contracts), the latter at a ridiculous high £150k/week! They will have a massive wage bill, unsustainable from their own generated income.

Now you can think Barca and Man Utd are part of this but they are merely reacting to it, unwillingly pursuing the market leaders. Barca are probably off loading their superstars because they can't afford them, United were unwilling to improve Ronaldo's money as he had only just signed a 5 year contract. yet I am sure money as much as anything is behind Ronaldo's desire to move - £200k/week tax free.


Because United generate the most money, they are the club who can afford to pay the highest rates (well technically if you were running a real business), but they have always resisted being leaders in pay and they are still not. But as I said they are being forced upwards by the likes of RM and Chelsea. For Arsenal, and I understand where you are coming from, you can not afford to pay these wages, even doing it once sets a precedent for others to follow, so Arsenal are now struggling to keep pace. Their bigger stars want the big bucks on offer elsewhere and Arsenal are semi-powerless to resist them leaving. (particularly because there isn't really a British heart to the squad who understand where the fans are coming from). I believe Henry did understand that and was a reluctant leaver but his leaving was the catalyst for what is happening now, IMO. Wenger knows that year on year he is going to have to pull the rabbit out of the hat but with established players moving on even earlier chasing the big money elsewhere his task becomes harder and harder.

That, I'm sure is why you think the 4 clubs are ruining football, but as I say and hopefully explained United are reluctant followers in this high stakes poker and are therefore not to blame.
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Jul 24 2008, 06:06 PM
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Jul 23 2008, 11:29 PM
Like I said, Chelsea, United, Barca, and Madrid are ruining football...

DaGunners,

Chelsea and Real Madrid are leading the silly bugg4r money. RM always have and if you want to compete with the absolute best then you have to operate near the same mark. Chelsea have come in with absolutely stupid money deep into their squad, paying reserves (Bridge) £80k/week and giving 30 years olds (Essien, Lampard) long (5 year contracts), the latter at a ridiculous high £150k/week! They will have a massive wage bill, unsustainable from their own generated income.

Now you can think Barca and Man Utd are part of this but they are merely reacting to it, unwillingly pursuing the market leaders. Barca are probably off loading their superstars because they can't afford them, United were unwilling to improve Ronaldo's money as he had only just signed a 5 year contract. yet I am sure money as much as anything is behind Ronaldo's desire to move - £200k/week tax free.


Because United generate the most money, they are the club who can afford to pay the highest rates (well technically if you were running a real business), but they have always resisted being leaders in pay and they are still not. But as I said they are being forced upwards by the likes of RM and Chelsea. For Arsenal, and I understand where you are coming from, you can not afford to pay these wages, even doing it once sets a precedent for others to follow, so Arsenal are now struggling to keep pace. Their bigger stars want the big bucks on offer elsewhere and Arsenal are semi-powerless to resist them leaving. (particularly because there isn't really a British heart to the squad who understand where the fans are coming from). I believe Henry did understand that and was a reluctant leaver but his leaving was the catalyst for what is happening now, IMO. Wenger knows that year on year he is going to have to pull the rabbit out of the hat but with established players moving on even earlier chasing the big money elsewhere his task becomes harder and harder.

That, I'm sure is why you think the 4 clubs are ruining football, but as I say and hopefully explained United are reluctant followers in this high stakes poker and are therefore not to blame.

Your name is really an oxymoron isnt it. Essien is 25 not 30 and CFC arent offering FL a 5 yr deal (thats one of the main sticking points)
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RetardedDwarf
Jul 24 2008, 05:47 PM
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Jul 23 2008, 11:26 PM
Chelsea are caving in on earnings all over. It appears they are desperate to keep their squad on huge slaries. Without RA they'd soon be bankrupt and it's laughable about being in profit in a year or two. Kenyon is no great negotiator, he's just caving in.

And btw this is bad for football all round because it just raises expectations, not just at the top but throughout the PL.

If CFC were caving in, they would have offered FL what he was asking for. Lamps has been asking for more for last 18 months and CFC have been saying no and are still saying no. How is that caving in??????????

Bullsh1t RD,

Chelsea have caved, 5 years to a 30 year old at £150k/week, it's just so ridiculous it is untrue. Lampard has been making daft demands, as much as anything to engineer his move to Inter to rejoin JM.

He has yet to say yes even to this daft (Chelsea only) offer.

Chelsea are becoming increasingly desperate but in FL's case this has been made doubly so because they do not want JM to poach their stars, but reality now, they don't even need him. Deco and Ballack is a wonderful combo in CM, where does FL fit?

All Chelsea are doing is to trying to out bid everyone, as in a poker game, ruining football as per DaGunners point. Some clubs are trying to stay on their coat tails eg Utd and to a lesser extent Liverpool. Arsenal know they can't, so new superich owned clubs like Man City could yet force themselves a plate at the top table. Ie it's more about how much money the owner can throw in, than what the club generates. Sure we've seen this before at Blackburn and wolves, but not on this type of scale. The silly money now is making the game a plaything of plutocrats.
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RetardedDwarf
Jul 24 2008, 06:13 PM
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Jul 24 2008, 06:06 PM
DaGunners
Jul 23 2008, 11:29 PM
Like I said, Chelsea, United, Barca, and Madrid are ruining football...

DaGunners,

Chelsea and Real Madrid are leading the silly bugg4r money. RM always have and if you want to compete with the absolute best then you have to operate near the same mark. Chelsea have come in with absolutely stupid money deep into their squad, paying reserves (Bridge) £80k/week and giving 30 years olds (Essien, Lampard) long (5 year contracts), the latter at a ridiculous high £150k/week! They will have a massive wage bill, unsustainable from their own generated income.

Now you can think Barca and Man Utd are part of this but they are merely reacting to it, unwillingly pursuing the market leaders. Barca are probably off loading their superstars because they can't afford them, United were unwilling to improve Ronaldo's money as he had only just signed a 5 year contract. yet I am sure money as much as anything is behind Ronaldo's desire to move - £200k/week tax free.


Because United generate the most money, they are the club who can afford to pay the highest rates (well technically if you were running a real business), but they have always resisted being leaders in pay and they are still not. But as I said they are being forced upwards by the likes of RM and Chelsea. For Arsenal, and I understand where you are coming from, you can not afford to pay these wages, even doing it once sets a precedent for others to follow, so Arsenal are now struggling to keep pace. Their bigger stars want the big bucks on offer elsewhere and Arsenal are semi-powerless to resist them leaving. (particularly because there isn't really a British heart to the squad who understand where the fans are coming from). I believe Henry did understand that and was a reluctant leaver but his leaving was the catalyst for what is happening now, IMO. Wenger knows that year on year he is going to have to pull the rabbit out of the hat but with established players moving on even earlier chasing the big money elsewhere his task becomes harder and harder.

That, I'm sure is why you think the 4 clubs are ruining football, but as I say and hopefully explained United are reluctant followers in this high stakes poker and are therefore not to blame.

Your name is really an oxymoron isnt it. Essien is 25 not 30 and CFC arent offering FL a 5 yr deal (thats one of the main sticking points)

And you don't know what an oxymoron is :cheeky:
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The Chelsea deal is paper talk so I wouldnt use that as a point in an argument tbf.

Chelsea have set the bar for there wages, but MU are just as guilty for fowolling them, when you look at it they didnt have to.
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My bad on Essien's age but Drogba is 30 and they want to offer him a long term deal.

So go on what is the latest FL offer then?

oh and btw I don't know how tall you are but I'd never suggest your name is an oxymoron!
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As i said, CFC r not offering FL a five yr deal. They have kept offer the same £130k to £135k and 4 yrs. Its been a Plutocrats game now for a while, look at who owns the likes of Chelsea, both Manchesters, Liverpool etc. The days where a local businessman who made good can become a owner of a prem club have long gone. To own a club nowadays and compete u have have several 100s of millions.
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Jul 24 2008, 06:20 PM
The Chelsea deal is paper talk so I wouldnt use that as a point in an argument tbf.

Chelsea have set the bar for there wages, but MU are just as guilty for fowolling them, when you look at it they didnt have to.

Maybe it is paper talk and I am wrong on the detail, but Utd want to compete and have therefore been squeezed up to this by greedy agents riding the back of Chelsea rates.

Robben, Essien, Mikel were all Utd targets lost to the bigger bucks on offer at Chelsea> It's a shame but real club loyalty is to all intents and purposes a thing of the past. Utd have been scared into it by the thought of not getting or keeping top layers so they've gone down the road to match to a degree. As I said arsenal know that they can't do it, without a rich new investor so they are feeling very nervous (and rightly so).
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Jul 24 2008, 06:22 PM
As i said, CFC r not offering FL a five yr deal. They have kept offer the same £130k to £135k and 4 yrs. Its been a Plutocrats game now for a while, look at who owns the likes of Chelsea, both Manchesters, Liverpool etc. The days where a local businessman who made good can become a owner of a prem club have long gone. To own a club nowadays and compete u have have several 100s of millions.

But possibly RA apart most of the others think there's a real profit to be made. Don't get me wrong they are enjoying the ego trip sure enough, but one day they might want their money back out and the new levels will be unsustainable.
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So you'd have to say that MU have "caved in", too?

Realistically, we dont have to offer these rates to keep our players , because theres only a few clubs who could afford these rates so its highyl unlikely that they'll leave for them clubs is it.
Is Frank Lampard going to leave Chelsea and join MU for an extra 20k? I dont think so, the players are just bluffing, and the clubs aren't calling it.
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Yep, DD is being offered an extension and yes he is 30, but United do he same. Dont Scholes and Giggs both have contracts that run until they r 35????????
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Ban all agents lol. Its the agents asking for the world, and the clubs allowing them to do it that has got us to this stage.
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I think FL is making ridiculous demands because he wants to leave, but technically he doesn't want to say that he wants to leave as that turns the Chelsea fans off him and costs him a wedge of the transfer fee.

I don't think Utd caved in but reacted to market forces, leadership being set elsewhere.

Giggs and scholes have deals to 35, Scholes doesn't have an agent so how he has been treated I don't know but 3 years ago Giggs wanted a 2 year extension, Utd made a special case as 2 years is the maximum amount they give to players on contract re-negotiations once they reach 30. Ie a one year extension, one year before the existing on runs out.

Seems sensible, Giggs was made a special case of because he had shown 16/17 years of loyalty to the club and genuinely wanted to see out his career there. Once in their thirties clubs do not have high expectations of longevity, legs and speed go so they don't want to be over committed.
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I dont think he is doing it because he wants to leave at all, he's being badly advised by agents who think thay can suck all thee money out of clubs because they know they cant afford to lose these players. As I said, it's all a bluff, I'd love a club to call it and then we'd see what the player does.

Agents have forced wages up in one club, then agents of others have done it. If you say that Chelsea caved in, then all the others have too.
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