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Hamilton On Pole
Topic Started: Sep 6 2008, 02:02 PM (1,374 Views)
RetardedDwarf
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woodbine2
Sep 7 2008, 05:42 PM
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Sep 7 2008, 05:41 PM
Look at Valencia, Ferrari nearly ram another car in pit and get a 10,000 euro fine, its not a level playing field. U have Ferrari, then u have the rest.

massa let the force india through so to stop a collision

i hate when people say that everyone favours ferrari

They were side by side in the pit lane for a while, Ferrari, should never have sent Massa out until other car had gone by, but because its Ferrari, all they get is a 10,000 euro fine. What the hell kinda fine is that, would be the same as a normal person getting a 5p speeding fine. :angry:

LH gave Kimmi back the lead, LH was a car length back when they crossed the start/finish line on a new lap and then took him by breaking later at the next corner. Not having a pop at Ferrari, but they r the biggest spenders by far and the most powerful team in F1, and sometimes the decisions show that.
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utterly disgusted by this decision, Hamilton cut the corner but then allowed kimi back in front, he could have just as easily have put his foot down and flew away but knowing that he had cut it unitentionally he allowed kimi his race position back. How anyone can even suggest that this decision was right is beyond me.

Even more on top of that is seeing Massa get away with a pathetic 10,000 euro fine for unsafe driving in the previous race.

They try to change the race setups so as to encourage exciting racing and then as soon as we finally get some there are ridiculous penalties handed out. Complete joke!
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im very happy with that decision.

anyway its over with so stop complaining bout it
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Sep 7 2008, 09:49 PM
im very happy with that decision.

anyway its over with so stop complaining bout it

happy because you agree with the decision or happy because it benefits the ferrari team? I honestly cannot see any justification for the first view.

hamilton was in front as they approached the right hander for the start of the chicane, he is heading for the apex of the next turn, raikonnen came over the track then, closing a door that technically he shouldnt have been trying to close, hamilton the has a choice, keep on the track around the corner and risk what would most likely have been a collision between both cars or cut the corner , which was a far safer option. He then lets up and allows kimi back through, by the letter of the law thats all that is required of him, nowhere does it state that he has to let up by a certain amount, or that he cannot then continue to race for a couple of corners or something. Its simply that he has to allow kimi to pass him, which he did. From then on its entirely up to him what he does, he chose to take advantage of being faster and pass kimi fairly and squarely.

Really interested to know exactly what advantage cutting that corner gained him. Prior to it he was faster, he had his nose in front before the chicane and once they came out of it kimi was a car length in front, so the advantage he gained was what exactly? It cant be that he gained momentum, he let up on the throttle so the momentum was down, it didnt give him the advantage to overtake kimi later, Lewis was already faster and would have done it anyway.

He most certainly didnt gain a 25 second advantage so why was that the punishment metered out? Why couldnt it have been a 10 second penalty which is certainly within their remit to hand out rather than a retrospective drive through penalty resulting in 25 seconds. He finished the race 14.4 seconds ahead of massa, so would have kept his position. Giving the race to massa after he was never even in sight of reaching hamilton is disgusting.
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Jimmy, u will never change his mind. He is more blinkered about Ferrari than he is about United :moon:
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Sep 7 2008, 10:17 PM
woodbine2
Sep 7 2008, 09:49 PM
im very happy with that decision.

anyway its over with so stop complaining bout it

happy because you agree with the decision or happy because it benefits the ferrari team? I honestly cannot see any justification for the first view.

hamilton was in front as they approached the right hander for the start of the chicane, he is heading for the apex of the next turn, raikonnen came over the track then, closing a door that technically he shouldnt have been trying to close, hamilton the has a choice, keep on the track around the corner and risk what would most likely have been a collision between both cars or cut the corner , which was a far safer option. He then lets up and allows kimi back through, by the letter of the law thats all that is required of him, nowhere does it state that he has to let up by a certain amount, or that he cannot then continue to race for a couple of corners or something. Its simply that he has to allow kimi to pass him, which he did. From then on its entirely up to him what he does, he chose to take advantage of being faster and pass kimi fairly and squarely.

Really interested to know exactly what advantage cutting that corner gained him. Prior to it he was faster, he had his nose in front before the chicane and once they came out of it kimi was a car length in front, so the advantage he gained was what exactly? It cant be that he gained momentum, he let up on the throttle so the momentum was down, it didnt give him the advantage to overtake kimi later, Lewis was already faster and would have done it anyway.

He most certainly didnt gain a 25 second advantage so why was that the punishment metered out? Why couldnt it have been a 10 second penalty which is certainly within their remit to hand out rather than a retrospective drive through penalty resulting in 25 seconds. He finished the race 14.4 seconds ahead of massa, so would have kept his position. Giving the race to massa after he was never even in sight of reaching hamilton is disgusting.

mainly the second bit.

hamilton cut the chcicane and got passed kimi by doing it.he lets kimi pass but the are virtually side by side when the get the the sart/finish line.lewis then gets in kimi's slipstream and overtakes him because of cutting that chicane.if hamilton hadnt of cut that chicane he wouldnt have overtaken kimi at la source
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CONSPRICY. It reeks of it. Ferrari near enough caused an accident in the pit lane the other week, ohh thats fine even though its illegal. well done ferrari.

Hamilton is force off the track, makes sure he squanders the lead to make things fair, re takes the lead (something he were guna do at some point anyway) and not only is it taken from him hes put to 3rd place and FERARRI wins. Well done Ferrari.

Not even going into all the crap last season from people peeking at other peopels technology.

Major conspricy.
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what happened in valencia two weeks ago in the pitlane was not massa's fault.he just went when the light was green.so massa shouldnt be punished and was rightly not punished.that mistake was by ferrari and they were punished with a fine.

raikkonen had the racing line and lewis got himself in a gap that was always gonna close.hamilton knew exactly what he was doing.cut the chicane to close the gap a bit after letting raikkonen through.he knew he would get kimi by cutting the chicane.got in kimis slipstream and took him at la source.
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An Ex Ferrari driver today said it was the worst decision he has ever seen. I don't know much about F1 at all but it does seem your being biased.
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Sep 8 2008, 04:51 PM
An Ex Ferrari driver today said it was the worst decision he has ever seen. I don't know much about F1 at all but it does seem your being biased.

i have seen people mock the scuderia saying that the fia favours them and all that crap and most if not all of them have never watched a race and because hamilton is involved they get involved.that p***es me off but i'm glad that most of the are p***ed off now.

i'm not being biased at all.i have my opinion on this matter.i'm probably the only one on this forum that has that opinion and everyone else disagrees.i respect your opinions and i get what you all are saying but i just wish people would respect my opinion instead of calling me biased
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Tbh i have only watched F1 since Hamilton last year but it does seem they favour ferrari. <_<

But i think if it had been Kimi or Massa you would have viewed it differently. I know i would have said i viewed it differently if it had been Hamilton given the vicotry.
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Sep 8 2008, 05:03 PM
Tbh i have only watched F1 since Hamilton last year but it does seem they favour ferrari. <_<

But i think if it had been Kimi or Massa you would have viewed it differently. I know i would have said i viewed it differently if it had been Hamilton given the vicotry.

i wouldnt have viewed it differently as well if it were the other way around.i would be upset with being demoted but at the end of the day the rules were broken and when you brake the rules you have to be punished

tbh i was getting a bit bored of f1 in 2005 but i still watched the races as i like the sport that much.i watched as alonso won 2 world championships,i watched as schumi announced his retirement but then hamilton came along and he has been a breath of fresh air.i dont like hamilton at all.i think hes cocky and arrogant.but in 2007 after hamilton and alonso were announced as the drivers for mclaren and massa and ,my second favourite driver behind schumi,kimi were announced as the drivers for the scuderia i knew that 2007 would be a great season and it was.i didnt think last year was gonna be hamiltons and i didnt think that this season would be hamiltons but there is still 5 races to go and it could still be his year.but i just feel that its still abit early for him yet.no doubt he will win a championship but i think it will be next year
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Sep 8 2008, 08:01 AM

mainly the second bit.

hamilton cut the chcicane and got passed kimi by doing it.he lets kimi pass but the are virtually side by side when the get the the sart/finish line.lewis then gets in kimi's slipstream and overtakes him because of cutting that chicane.if hamilton hadnt of cut that chicane he wouldnt have overtaken kimi at la source

and what do the rules state?

If you check i believe you will find that the rule is to let the person overtaken repass within a few corners, theres nothing that specifies the start finish line as the point so far as i understand it. Hamilton allowed him to do that, otherwise he wouldnt have been behind him and thus he has fulfilled what was required of him from the regulations

Nowhere does it state that he has to remain behind for a certain period, nor does it state that he cant then repass him.

Hamilton was far faster before he got to the chicane, if he wasnt then how do you explain him cutting a 2 second lead down to 0.8 seconds over just a single lap. HE would have quite easily passed kimi coming into la source, weather was already starting to have an effect and the mclaren (especially driven by hamilton) is far better than the ferrari in the wet at the corners.




Please feel free to point out to me exactly what regulation he broke, in cutting the chicane he could have got an advantage, however he relinquished that advantage as per the rules and the continued to race. Thats the letter of the law, thats what he did.

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Sep 8 2008, 05:54 PM
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Sep 8 2008, 08:01 AM

mainly the second bit.

hamilton cut the chcicane and got passed kimi by doing it.he lets kimi pass but the are virtually side by side when the get the the sart/finish line.lewis then gets in kimi's slipstream and overtakes him because of cutting that chicane.if hamilton hadnt of cut that chicane he wouldnt have overtaken kimi at la source

and what do the rules state?

If you check i believe you will find that the rule is to let the person overtaken repass within a few corners, theres nothing that specifies the start finish line as the point so far as i understand it. Hamilton allowed him to do that, otherwise he wouldnt have been behind him and thus he has fulfilled what was required of him from the regulations

Nowhere does it state that he has to remain behind for a certain period, nor does it state that he cant then repass him.

Hamilton was far faster before he got to the chicane, if he wasnt then how do you explain him cutting a 2 second lead down to 0.8 seconds over just a single lap. HE would have quite easily passed kimi coming into la source, weather was already starting to have an effect and the mclaren (especially driven by hamilton) is far better than the ferrari in the wet at the corners.




Please feel free to point out to me exactly what regulation he broke, in cutting the chicane he could have got an advantage, however he relinquished that advantage as per the rules and the continued to race. Thats the letter of the law, thats what he did.

hamilton breached article 303 of the 2008 FIA formula one sporting regulations and appendix 1 chapter 4 article 2 of the international sporting code
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