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Topic Started: Sep 24 2008, 09:37 AM (478 Views)
mumanc
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red thru and thru.
TBH i wouldnt mind our youngsters winning it,but for the 1st team i think it is another game that could cause injuries etc and therfore not worth the risk.
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Mancunian_Red
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mumanc
Sep 24 2008, 08:37 AM
the carling/league cup.
personaly i think its just become a bit of a joke,the only good it does is allow you to play youngsters or players coming back from injuries,other than that IMO its extra games we could do without.

you clearly don't understand what this competition does for lower league clubs this gives them a rare chance at taking on the big clubs not just the top four but the whole premiership which means income for the clubs in division 2.

Also how about european place that is attached to the cup is that worthless? not worth playing for and the way united have started this year right now i would snatch the carling cup with both hands if offered to me.
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mumanc
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Mancunian_Red
Sep 24 2008, 12:09 PM
mumanc
Sep 24 2008, 08:37 AM
the carling/league cup.
personaly i think its just become a bit of a joke,the only good it does is allow you to play youngsters or players coming back from injuries,other than that IMO its extra games we could do without.

you clearly don't understand what this competition does for lower league clubs this gives them a rare chance at taking on the big clubs not just the top four but the whole premiership which means income for the clubs in division 2.

Also how about european place that is attached to the cup is that worthless? not worth playing for and the way united have started this year right now i would snatch the carling cup with both hands if offered to me.

i clearly do understand,but i am talking from the standpoint of a utd supporter not a lower league supporter,and as i said before FA cup is much more desirable.
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Mancunian_Red
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mumanc
Sep 24 2008, 12:22 PM
Mancunian_Red
Sep 24 2008, 12:09 PM
mumanc
Sep 24 2008, 08:37 AM
the carling/league cup.
personaly i think its just become a bit of a joke,the only good it does is allow you to play youngsters or players coming back from injuries,other than that IMO its extra games we could do without.

you clearly don't understand what this competition does for lower league clubs this gives them a rare chance at taking on the big clubs not just the top four but the whole premiership which means income for the clubs in division 2.

Also how about european place that is attached to the cup is that worthless? not worth playing for and the way united have started this year right now i would snatch the carling cup with both hands if offered to me.

i clearly do understand,but i am talking from the standpoint of a utd supporter not a lower league supporter,and as i said before FA cup is much more desirable.

and as a united fan then you would then realise the united winning the league cup was the platform and springboard for our success throughout the 90's it's easy for the top teams to discard this competition but to be honest i want united fighting for all the trophies this one included. so in answer to your question no i don't think it is a joke and certainly hope united win this with more this term.
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flak
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It's a great competition for the lower league clubs to bring in some extra revenue but for the top clubs it's just a distraction and that's why they all play their youngsters in it. The European place is of no use to them if they are slugging it out at the top of the league. A lower half Premiership side might be welcome of the place though.
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It'sREDinRussia
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flak
Sep 24 2008, 03:53 PM
It's a great competition for the lower league clubs to bring in some extra revenue but for the top clubs it's just a distraction and that's why they all play their youngsters in it. The European place is of no use to them if they are slugging it out at the top of the league. A lower half Premiership side might be welcome of the place though.

Flak, it used to be a 'distraction' but football has evolved a lot in the last 5 years. With Chelsea's emergance, strength in depth has a whole new meaning and the Carling Cup no longer becomes a distraction, but a real chance of silverware without reducing your chances in other competitions.

Chelsea have taken it seriously for 4 years, it's about time we challenge again.
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The welsh wizard
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yeah. a trophy is a trophy and the carling cup is a chance to watch bright prospects in your team playing aswell others from a diffrent clubs.
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It'sREDinRussia
Sep 24 2008, 03:59 PM
flak
Sep 24 2008, 03:53 PM
It's a great competition for the lower league clubs to bring in some extra revenue but for the top clubs it's just a distraction and that's why they all play their youngsters in it. The European place is of no use to them if they are slugging it out at the top of the league. A lower half Premiership side might be welcome of the place though.

Flak, it used to be a 'distraction' but football has evolved a lot in the last 5 years. With Chelsea's emergance, strength in depth has a whole new meaning and the Carling Cup no longer becomes a distraction, but a real chance of silverware without reducing your chances in other competitions.

Chelsea have taken it seriously for 4 years, it's about time we challenge again.

If it's not a distraction, why don't teams play their first team players in it? Chelsea have the squad to take it seriously because their backup players are good enough for most Premiership first teams, they don't really play a team of kids like Arsenal and United did last night.
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Sep 24 2008, 04:13 PM
It'sREDinRussia
Sep 24 2008, 03:59 PM
flak
Sep 24 2008, 03:53 PM
It's a great competition for the lower league clubs to bring in some extra revenue but for the top clubs it's just a distraction and that's why they all play their youngsters in it. The European place is of no use to them if they are slugging it out at the top of the league. A lower half Premiership side might be welcome of the place though.

Flak, it used to be a 'distraction' but football has evolved a lot in the last 5 years. With Chelsea's emergance, strength in depth has a whole new meaning and the Carling Cup no longer becomes a distraction, but a real chance of silverware without reducing your chances in other competitions.

Chelsea have taken it seriously for 4 years, it's about time we challenge again.

If it's not a distraction, why don't teams play their first team players in it? Chelsea have the squad to take it seriously because their backup players are good enough for most Premiership first teams, they don't really play a team of kids like Arsenal and United did last night.

United's team was not a team of kids, did you watch it? :blink:

Last season we fielded a team of unknowns but this year we fielded a few first-teamers and adequate youngsters which really indicates our intent in this year's competition.

Ronaldo, Vidic, Brown, Possebon, Anderson, Nani and Tevez all featured :)

If United ever draw non-Premiership opposition again in say the FA Cup...I bet we'll field a weakish team.

Fielding your best players is not viable nor sensible, doesn't mean the CC isn't taken seriously right now.
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flak
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Yes but those were only played to get their match fitness up and because it was a pretty strong Boro team. They wouldn't have played if they had played in the last couple of matches. Possebon can hardly be called a first team player...
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Mancunian_Red
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but one of the main points made is that it was a joke and the only good thing it does is give youngsters the chance to play. well if thats all it does that would still be worth it to see what they are capable of. but as pointed out it is also good for lower league clubs too and a chance to generate revenue.

As for the f.a cup the magic surrounding this competition is because it's not just the football league it's non league to they get the chance to make a name for themselves which is why it's more prestigeous.

we complain that the foreigners coming in the big money players don't give our kids a chance to prove themselves then in the next breath you slate the very competition that does just that. football goes deeper than the first team. people would do well to remember this.
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Sep 24 2008, 04:56 PM
Yes but those were only played to get their match fitness up and because it was a pretty strong Boro team. They wouldn't have played if they had played in the last couple of matches. Possebon can hardly be called a first team player...

So if it was merely a distraction we wouldn't have put out the players to win it.

Chelsea have made this competition far more prestigious in all of their quadruple missions...the rest of the top 4 now realise it is a competition worth winning.
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roo86
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well fans of smaller clubs do as its another rare chance to win silverware and get into europe.. not to mention if they get lucky can play one of the big boys(rare chance for many in their careers) also clubs may be picked for tv bringing in much needed income... course people care about it.
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Sep 24 2008, 04:58 PM
we complain that the foreigners coming in the big money players don't give our kids a chance to prove themselves then in the next breath you slate the very competition that does just that.

Good point but that's it's only use for a top club but don't you think playing a weakened team devalues the competition? I couldn't care less if United won it or not tbh...it's like the boobie prize.

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Sep 24 2008, 05:18 PM
Mancunian_Red
Sep 24 2008, 04:58 PM
we complain that the foreigners coming in the big money players don't give our kids a chance to prove themselves then in the next breath you slate the very competition that does just that.

Good point but that's it's only use for a top club but don't you think playing a weakened team devalues the competition? I couldn't care less if United won it or not tbh...it's like the boobie prize.

The top 4 play weakened teams in the FA Cup as well. Is that also worthless? :rolleyes:

The fact is, the two most important competitions are the PL and the CL. Anyone who watches football will have already established that, therefore, players NEED to be saved for these matches but it doesn't make domestic cups worthless.
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