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Topic Started: Sep 26 2008, 04:59 PM (799 Views)
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so how exactly has torres' game worsened in the intervening period of this and last season?
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Sep 26 2008, 10:37 PM
so how exactly has torres' game worsened in the intervening period of this and last season?

My opinion has not changed since the back end of last season....neither has DaG's...I think DaG watches old matches and from the games this season has also observed more closely.
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Sep 26 2008, 10:37 PM
so how exactly has torres' game worsened in the intervening period of this and last season?

he went and got himself injured. he's crap now :P
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Sep 26 2008, 10:40 PM
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Sep 26 2008, 10:37 PM
so how exactly has torres' game worsened in the intervening period of this and last season?

My opinion has not changed since the back end of last season....neither has DaG's...I think DaG watches old matches and from the games this season has also observed more closely.

Are you his wife, you seem to be backing him up on every point even though it's clearly evident it's nonsense and blatantly bias.
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Sep 26 2008, 10:30 PM
Well, a lot of times people aren't completely changing their opinions - they're just saying 'he's looking kinda crap right now' or 'he's been playing like crap'. Most times they're not completely changing their whole opinion permanently, imo.

And thanks, I do know what the point of the thread is.

But we're talking about the people who do completly change their opinion of someone?

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DaGunners rated Torres as the no1 striker last year but I think after reading my criticisms of his overall game has looked from a different angle and is reassessing his previous views.

Not everyone can spot everything...nothing wrong with reviewing an opinion.


Well if you're rating someone as the number one striker you shouldn't really be conviced as much to say he is no longer in your top 5, he must have seen something to suggest he was number 1. Recent games can only have influenced it really. And wrongly imo.
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Sep 26 2008, 10:44 PM
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Sep 26 2008, 10:37 PM
so how exactly has torres' game worsened in the intervening period of this and last season?

My opinion has not changed since the back end of last season....neither has DaG's...I think DaG watches old matches and from the games this season has also observed more closely.

Are you his wife, you seem to be backing him up on every point even though it's clearly evident it's nonsense and blatantly bias.

I quite regularly argue against what he says - the last incident was a matter of minutes ago.

I argue for what I believe is right, simple as. Not favouritism.
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Sep 26 2008, 10:44 PM
Well if you're rating someone as the number one striker you shouldn't really be conviced as much to say he is no longer in your top 5, he must have seen something to suggest he was number 1. Recent games can only have influenced it really. And wrongly imo.

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I rated Torres as the second best striker in the world but after studying his game a lot more he has dropped on my ratings. He is still an amazing striker, and world class, but I don't think I have him in my top 5 anymore


He rated him as the second best and now he has dropped a few places - please consider the level of quality in strikers nowadays - RVN, Villa, Drogba, Auguero and Adebayor are all top quality, but fairly evenly matched, hence it being easy to slip down a few places.

The fact DaG has changed his stance on Torres suggests he is admitting to making a mistake with his previous judgment. I seem to be the only one who criticises Torres so maybe I have brainwashed him or pointed a few things out he's perhaps analysed more closely now.
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It's not like DaGunners completely changed his mind, is it? Torres has gone from being the best to just world class. I'm sure he wouldn't mind that. You know, if he cared.

In my opinion fans aren't as fickle about players as some have experienced but everybody sees it different, I guess.
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Sep 26 2008, 09:51 PM
RVN, Villa, Drogba, Auguero and Adebayor...

and what exactly have these ALL these guys done in the past 5 months to leap frog Torres?

Drogba didn't play last season, nor this...
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Yes it would be easy to drop down a few places basing it on current form. IF you were to do that you'd probably have to say Aguero was the best. But over the course of 5-7 games so far this season he can't drop down that much. But as yousay he perhaps misjudged at first.

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Scholes - regarding Tevez I'm sure you've been watching him a long time. But for me I've seen some great performances from him before this season. Even in certain matches for West Ham. Over the last 18 months imo he's been consistently good, but at times he's been excellent which imo shows his class. His performance during this period, his technical ability is never below 7/10, but at times he performs at 9/10. There were games when he came on in the last 15/20 mins of the match and was the best player on the pitch. In those moments he showed a certain amount of flair and individual ability which sometimes puts Ronaldo in the shade and I promise I don't say that lightly. And that's not to mention the crucial goals he scored in at least half a dozen games, but I wouldn't want to start talking stats :cheeky:

I never said you would call for Fergie's head mate. The initial post is talking about the quick change in people rating players based on 4 or 5 games. Players forms dip and rise. Anderson for example shows a rashness (shooting from 80 yards) which is typical of an inexperienced player of his age coupled with one who's probably over-anxious to score his first goal. You never know, fergie may have even told him to take a shot if the opportunity presents itself instead of overplaying passes (not saying he did but what do any of us know). But none of that takes away from the performance and raw ability he's shown last season (after the sunderland game). Players aren't getting time to develop so what do you want to do now, not play Anderson again because he's over zealous?
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My opinion of Torres changed because of Scholes' analysis and the fact that I found a way to download and view old matches. I have paid much more attention to his performances and that's why I changed my opinion.

I still view him as an excellent player, just not the world's best striker as many think...
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It's amazing how this overall analysis, assessment, and subsequent change of opinion on Torres has come after 5 matches this season. Shame they weren't pointed out after the European Championship Final. <_<
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last year torres was the worlds best striker?

what makes a world class striker the best? form for a long long time which torres had

its obvious scholes is wrong about torres but he is entitled to his opinion. he simply wont admit his criticism could be wrong.

torres touch isnt poor. it is good because he always tries to create chances after his first touch which he has done last season but defenders sometimes forsee it and counter it which is why people like schoels doubt his touch.

doesnt matter anyway.

once he gets back on form which is all he lacks at the moment (the whole liverpool team infact) he will prove the doubters wrong once again..(well most of then...)
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Sep 26 2008, 11:04 PM
Scholes - regarding Tevez I'm sure you've been watching him a long time. But for me I've seen some great performances from him before this season. Even in certain matches for West Ham. Over the last 18 months imo he's been consistently good, but at times he's been excellent which imo shows his class. His performance during this period, his technical ability is never below 7/10, but at times he performs at 9/10. There were games when he came on in the last 15/20 mins of the match and was the best player on the pitch. In those moments he showed a certain amount of flair and individual ability which sometimes puts Ronaldo in the shade and I promise I don't say that lightly. And that's not to mention the crucial goals he scored in at least half a dozen games, but I wouldn't want to start talking stats :cheeky:

I never said you would call for Fergie's head mate. The initial post is talking about the quick change in people rating players based on 4 or 5 games. Players forms dip and rise. Anderson for example shows a rashness (shooting from 80 yards) which is typical of an inexperienced player of his age coupled with one who's probably over-anxious to score his first goal. You never know, fergie may have even told him to take a shot if the opportunity presents itself instead of overplaying passes (not saying he did but what do any of us know). But none of that takes away from the performance and raw ability he's shown last season (after the sunderland game). Players aren't getting time to develop so what do you want to do now, not play Anderson again because he's over zealous?

The original post was giving examples of the rating of players, the overall thread is purely about fickleness, whether it is rating players or calling for managers' head.

About Tevez, he was superb at WHU, never doubted that. I was just comparing his performances this season to some of last and how sufficient rest looks to have given him superhuman abilities :cheeky:


About Anderson, I think you've taken my points out of context. I was the first to express my shock at how Fergie just ditched him towards the business end of the season - whether it was a good decision we don't know, but I can't complain after winning the double. I was so excited about Anderson lasts eason, 19 years of age and the most complete teenager I have EVER seen...good distribution (from ball-use to execution), but his defensive qualities are what impressed me. He was like a spark, but he also has ox-like strength...

I fully expect him to go on and become a terrific player, I was just voicing my concern over the sudden lack of composure I am now seeing, albeit over a period of a month - not long enough change judgment significantly, but enough to point out an observation and hope it amends itself.
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