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Topic Started: Sep 26 2008, 04:59 PM (798 Views)
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Sep 26 2008, 11:12 PM
It's amazing how this overall analysis, assessment, and subsequent change of opinion on Torres has come after 5 matches this season. Shame they weren't pointed out after the European Championship Final. <_<

I personally thought he had an average championships if that's the point you're getting at :unsure:
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Sep 26 2008, 11:13 PM
last year torres was the worlds best striker?

what makes a world class striker the best? form for a long long time which torres had

its obvious scholes is wrong about torres but he is entitled to his opinion. he simply wont admit his criticism could be wrong.

torres touch isnt poor. it is good because he always tries to create chances after his first touch which he has done last season but defenders sometimes forsee it and counter it which is why people like schoels doubt his touch.

doesnt matter anyway.

once he gets back on form which is all he lacks at the moment (the whole liverpool team infact) he will prove the doubters wrong once again..(well most of then...)

I have commented on his touch since around March, but according to you his touch has only been poor this season. Purely co-incidence that my WRONG opinion of him last season looks to be coming true this season? :rolleyes:

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its obvious scholes is wrong about torres but he is entitled to his opinion. he simply wont admit his criticism could be wrong.


First it's obviously, then it's possibly...I recommend stand-up.
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It'sREDinRussia
Sep 26 2008, 10:15 PM
treble
Sep 26 2008, 11:12 PM
It's amazing how this overall analysis, assessment, and subsequent change of opinion on Torres has come after 5 matches this season. Shame they weren't pointed out after the European Championship Final.  <_<

I personally thought he had an average championships if that's the point you're getting at :unsure:

futher proof to lookat his faults

if you looked at his whole game you would have seen how his runs created the space for david villa goals and how also assisted some of them...

his movement was outstanding in that compeition which led to his striker partners goals.

then in the final he destoryed the germany defence. once of the best finishes in football he did which van nistelroy type players do what he did. created chances on his own and because of his presence and how hard he worked he even made 4 defenders keep on their toes.
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It'sREDinRussia
Sep 26 2008, 10:18 PM
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Sep 26 2008, 11:13 PM
last year torres was the worlds best striker?

what makes a world class striker the best? form for a long long time which torres had

its obvious scholes is wrong about torres but he is entitled to his opinion. he simply wont admit his criticism could be wrong.

torres touch isnt poor. it is good because he always tries to create chances after his first touch which he has done last season but defenders sometimes forsee it and counter it which is why people like schoels doubt his touch.

doesnt matter anyway.

once he gets back on form which is all he lacks at the moment (the whole liverpool team infact) he will prove the doubters wrong once again..(well most of then...)

I have commented on his touch since around March, but according to you his touch has only been poor this season. Purely co-incidence that my WRONG opinion of him last season looks to be coming true this season? :rolleyes:

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its obvious scholes is wrong about torres but he is entitled to his opinion. he simply wont admit his criticism could be wrong.


First it's obviously, then it's possibly...I recommend stand-up.

i said i and most people know its wrong but YOU probbaly wont admit it.

i said his touch hasnt been there in the games so far because he isnt on form and just came back from a injury...

once he is on form you will just make another excuse or criticism to back your opinion up
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Sep 26 2008, 11:18 PM
It'sREDinRussia
Sep 26 2008, 10:15 PM
treble
Sep 26 2008, 11:12 PM
It's amazing how this overall analysis, assessment, and subsequent change of opinion on Torres has come after 5 matches this season. Shame they weren't pointed out after the European Championship Final.  <_<

I personally thought he had an average championships if that's the point you're getting at :unsure:

futher proof to lookat his faults

if you looked at his whole game you would have seen how his runs created the space for david villa goals and how also assisted some of them...

his movement was outstanding in that compeition which led to his striker partners goals.

then in the final he destoryed the germany defence. once of the best finishes in football he did which van nistelroy type players do what he did. created chances on his own and because of his presence and how hard he worked he even made 4 defenders keep on their toes.

I am fully aware his performance in the first game (in which Villa got 3 or his 4 goals) was exellent. I have always appreciated the work he puts in off-the-ball...I do however feel the remaining 5 games played he was nothing special in...
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Sep 26 2008, 11:19 PM
once he is on form you will just make another excuse or criticism to back your opinion up

I rate him as a very good striker...never doubted he was anything less. Just feel he is overhyped and enjoy analysing his amongst others' games...

He was injured against Villa :unsure: What about the games before it? Plus, sharpness is mainly affected due to injury, not touch.
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It'sREDinRussia
Sep 26 2008, 11:14 PM
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Sep 26 2008, 11:04 PM
Scholes - regarding Tevez I'm sure you've been watching him a long time. But for me I've seen some great performances from him before this season. Even in certain matches for West Ham. Over the last 18 months imo he's been consistently good, but at times he's been excellent which imo shows his class. His performance during this period, his technical ability is never below 7/10, but at times he performs at 9/10. There were games when he came on in the last 15/20 mins of the match and was the best player on the pitch. In those moments he showed a certain amount of flair and individual ability which sometimes puts Ronaldo in the shade and I promise I don't say that lightly. And that's not to mention the crucial goals he scored in at least half a dozen games, but I wouldn't want to start talking stats  :cheeky:

I never said you would call for Fergie's head mate. The initial post is talking about the quick change in people rating players based on 4 or 5 games. Players forms dip and rise. Anderson for example shows a rashness (shooting from 80 yards) which is typical of an inexperienced player of his age coupled with one who's probably over-anxious to score his first goal. You never know, fergie may have even told him to take a shot if the opportunity presents itself instead of overplaying passes (not saying he did but what do any of us know). But none of that takes away from the performance and raw ability he's shown last season (after the sunderland game). Players aren't getting time to develop so what do you want to do now, not play Anderson again because he's over zealous?

The original post was giving examples of the rating of players, the overall thread is purely about fickleness, whether it is rating players or calling for managers' head.

On this thread I've only looked at it regarding players not general fickleness and tbh I haven't seen anyone else discuss it in those terms.
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Sep 26 2008, 10:20 PM
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Sep 26 2008, 11:18 PM
It'sREDinRussia
Sep 26 2008, 10:15 PM
treble
Sep 26 2008, 11:12 PM
It's amazing how this overall analysis, assessment, and subsequent change of opinion on Torres has come after 5 matches this season. Shame they weren't pointed out after the European Championship Final.  <_<

I personally thought he had an average championships if that's the point you're getting at :unsure:

futher proof to lookat his faults

if you looked at his whole game you would have seen how his runs created the space for david villa goals and how also assisted some of them...

his movement was outstanding in that compeition which led to his striker partners goals.

then in the final he destoryed the germany defence. once of the best finishes in football he did which van nistelroy type players do what he did. created chances on his own and because of his presence and how hard he worked he even made 4 defenders keep on their toes.

I am fully aware his performance in the first game (in which Villa got 3 or his 4 goals) was exellent. I have always appreciated the work he puts in off-the-ball...I do however feel the remaining 5 games played he was nothing special in...

yes he was....

he always made runs to create spaces but got taken off at around 60-70 mins...

the manager was a total muppet. imagine if germany scored and he took off their most dangerous player before that?

2 of the 6 games he played he was unstoppable

out of their other 4 i believe he got taken before 60 minutes had even been played (cost me dreamt eam points. annoyed me ssooooooo much)

he was still good in the games if you watched them. he just needs a arm around his shoulder from the manager at times which he never got
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It'sREDinRussia
Sep 26 2008, 10:22 PM
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Sep 26 2008, 11:19 PM
once he is on form you will just make another excuse or criticism to back your opinion up

I rate him as a very good striker...never doubted he was anything less. Just feel he is overhyped and enjoy analysing his amongst others' games...

He was injured against Villa :unsure: What about the games before it? Plus, sharpness is mainly affected due to injury, not touch.

2 games before villa? just came back from a euro

he has been out of form

you do understand players need games to get into form and gain back confidence etc...

on top of that the service was poor as like i said before we were out of form especially in the midfield which is why we need moments of brilliance to win the games
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The European Championship winning manager was a complete muppet. His decisions cost them the...the...ummm
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Torres is the type of striker who can go anonymous for most of the match and then pop up with a goal. Exactly what happened during the Euros. I think it was Spain's style of play that caused that though....doesn't suit him at all imo.

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Sep 26 2008, 11:23 PM
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Sep 26 2008, 11:14 PM
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Sep 26 2008, 11:04 PM
Scholes - regarding Tevez I'm sure you've been watching him a long time. But for me I've seen some great performances from him before this season. Even in certain matches for West Ham. Over the last 18 months imo he's been consistently good, but at times he's been excellent which imo shows his class. His performance during this period, his technical ability is never below 7/10, but at times he performs at 9/10. There were games when he came on in the last 15/20 mins of the match and was the best player on the pitch. In those moments he showed a certain amount of flair and individual ability which sometimes puts Ronaldo in the shade and I promise I don't say that lightly. And that's not to mention the crucial goals he scored in at least half a dozen games, but I wouldn't want to start talking stats  :cheeky:

I never said you would call for Fergie's head mate. The initial post is talking about the quick change in people rating players based on 4 or 5 games. Players forms dip and rise. Anderson for example shows a rashness (shooting from 80 yards) which is typical of an inexperienced player of his age coupled with one who's probably over-anxious to score his first goal. You never know, fergie may have even told him to take a shot if the opportunity presents itself instead of overplaying passes (not saying he did but what do any of us know). But none of that takes away from the performance and raw ability he's shown last season (after the sunderland game). Players aren't getting time to develop so what do you want to do now, not play Anderson again because he's over zealous?

The original post was giving examples of the rating of players, the overall thread is purely about fickleness, whether it is rating players or calling for managers' head.

On this thread I've only looked at it regarding players not general fickleness and tbh I haven't seen anyone else discuss it in those terms.

Ok, but I'm not fickle in any way. My thoughts on a player are always generated on a sustained period of time. My opinions never change rapidly...for eg. I only said Anderson was 'becoming' a headless chicken, never said he was one.

I may be a few things but fickle ain't one of them :cheeky:
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It'sREDinRussia
Sep 26 2008, 10:25 PM
The European Championship winning manager was a complete muppet. His decisions cost them the...the...ummm

i said almost cost them

he took of torres in the final when torres was unstoppable at times...

i dont think it was the style as much. he was good in the other games but he does sometimes prefer the more direct approach which he did get in the final but the manager just kept taking him off which dropped his confidence.
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Torres never performs well for Spain in fairness. Can only really be the style of play...
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It'sREDinRussia
Sep 26 2008, 11:15 PM
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Sep 26 2008, 11:12 PM
It's amazing how this overall analysis, assessment, and subsequent change of opinion on Torres has come after 5 matches this season. Shame they weren't pointed out after the European Championship Final.  <_<

I personally thought he had an average championships if that's the point you're getting at :unsure:

You haven't changed your opinion of him. But that wasn't what I was getting at, it was more about the timing of this sudden change in rating Torres. After a fantastic first season and topping it off with the winning goal in the Euro final I would've liked to have seen someone say, well actually I've studied his game and he's now slipped from 2nd to 5th in my rating. The timing, to say it after 5 games into a new season when he's not been at his best is unfortunate.
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