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Sep 29 2008, 04:35 PM
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Tongue-in-cheek :rolleyes:
i know that and its fair enough. But you've taken a vital point away from a team who looks like they'll be fighting relegation and if it was a joke made against a top clubs expense everyone would be going mad
how do you figure that <_< we won 2-0 so even if the penalty didnt stand we would still have won 1-0 :rolleyes:
Idiotic comment...sorry, has to be said.
No one knows what would have happened had the penalty not been given. It's called chaos theory. One thing affects another in this world, no matter how trivial it may seem. A butterfly flying west and not northwest could affect the outcome of an egg and spoon race in China.
What should be said is that we probably would still have won.
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Sep 29 2008, 04:39 PM
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Tongue-in-cheek :rolleyes:
i know that and its fair enough. But you've taken a vital point away from a team who looks like they'll be fighting relegation and if it was a joke made against a top clubs expense everyone would be going mad
how do you figure that <_< we won 2-0 so even if the penalty didnt stand we would still have won 1-0 :rolleyes:
Idiotic comment...sorry, has to be said. No one knows what would have happened had the penalty not been given. It's called chaos theory. One thing affects another in this world, no matter how trivial it may seem. A butterfly flying west and not northwest could affect the outcome of an egg and spoon race in China. What should be said is that we probably would still have won.
idiotic the facts are we scored two,f**k the butterfly effect.
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Sep 29 2008, 04:43 PM
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Tongue-in-cheek :rolleyes:
i know that and its fair enough. But you've taken a vital point away from a team who looks like they'll be fighting relegation and if it was a joke made against a top clubs expense everyone would be going mad
how do you figure that <_< we won 2-0 so even if the penalty didnt stand we would still have won 1-0 :rolleyes:
Idiotic comment...sorry, has to be said. No one knows what would have happened had the penalty not been given. It's called chaos theory. One thing affects another in this world, no matter how trivial it may seem. A butterfly flying west and not northwest could affect the outcome of an egg and spoon race in China. What should be said is that we probably would still have won.
idiotic the facts are we scored two,f**k the butterfly effect.
It is a valid example that proves a point.
Believing the outcome of a game wouldn't change if a certain decision was not given is naive. The future is not set in stone and outcomes depend on courses of events. Simple as that.
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Sep 29 2008, 04:49 PM
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Tongue-in-cheek :rolleyes:
i know that and its fair enough. But you've taken a vital point away from a team who looks like they'll be fighting relegation and if it was a joke made against a top clubs expense everyone would be going mad
how do you figure that <_< we won 2-0 so even if the penalty didnt stand we would still have won 1-0 :rolleyes:
Idiotic comment...sorry, has to be said. No one knows what would have happened had the penalty not been given. It's called chaos theory. One thing affects another in this world, no matter how trivial it may seem. A butterfly flying west and not northwest could affect the outcome of an egg and spoon race in China. What should be said is that we probably would still have won.
idiotic the facts are we scored two,f**k the butterfly effect.
It is a valid example that proves a point. Believing the outcome of a game wouldn't change if a certain decision was not given is naive. The future is not set in stone and outcomes depend on courses of events. Simple as that.
Quite right
Its obvious. If a team is drawing they can sit back and deny the oppsing team space. If they are behind, they have to chase the game, leaving space for the oppsing team to exploit. Its not that hard to work out.
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Sep 29 2008, 04:50 PM
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A butterfly flying west and not northwest could affect the outcome of an egg and spoon race in China.
this is a valid point
are you having a laugh
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Believing the outcome of a game wouldn't change if a certain decision was not given is naive.
didnt you say this :rolleyes:
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Referees on the whole do a good job..they inevitably make mistakes but the course of a game is not all that often changed due to poor decisions...
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Sep 29 2008, 04:53 PM
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A butterfly flying west and not northwest could affect the outcome of an egg and spoon race in China.
this is a valid point
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Believing the outcome of a game wouldn't change if a certain decision was not given is naive.
didnt you say this :rolleyes: - Quote:
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Referees on the whole do a good job..they inevitably make mistakes but the course of a game is not all that often changed due to poor decisions...
No, it's not always changed. It is about probability, saying United would definitely have ended up winning is narrow-mindedness.
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Sep 29 2008, 04:55 PM
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A butterfly flying west and not northwest could affect the outcome of an egg and spoon race in China.
this is a valid point
 are you having a laugh
Nope. It is COMPLETELY valid and relevant. It might not be about football but it's exactly the same concept. We'll never know what the outcome would have been had the penalty not been given - it's a case of using common sense and predicting what it would've been.
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Sep 29 2008, 04:57 PM
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Tongue-in-cheek :rolleyes:
i know that and its fair enough. But you've taken a vital point away from a team who looks like they'll be fighting relegation and if it was a joke made against a top clubs expense everyone would be going mad
how do you figure that <_< we won 2-0 so even if the penalty didnt stand we would still have won 1-0 :rolleyes:
Idiotic comment...sorry, has to be said. No one knows what would have happened had the penalty not been given. It's called chaos theory. One thing affects another in this world, no matter how trivial it may seem. A butterfly flying west and not northwest could affect the outcome of an egg and spoon race in China. What should be said is that we probably would still have won.
idiotic the facts are we scored two,f**k the butterfly effect.
It is a valid example that proves a point. Believing the outcome of a game wouldn't change if a certain decision was not given is naive. The future is not set in stone and outcomes depend on courses of events. Simple as that.
Quite right Its obvious. If a team is drawing they can sit back and deny the oppsing team space. If they are behind, they have to chase the game, leaving space for the oppsing team to exploit. Its not that hard to work out.
Exactly. It happens in all games -
If Liverpool had won the toss at Goodison on Saturday then it is unlikely the score would've been 0-2. It does not directly effect the match but indirectly it does.
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Sep 29 2008, 05:06 PM
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it's a case of using common sense and predicting what it would've been.
in that case seing as we scored two,i would say 1-0
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Sep 29 2008, 05:10 PM
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it's a case of using common sense and predicting what it would've been.
in that case seing as we scored two, i would say 1-0
I can accept that post as it is merely a prediction you admit wasn't set in stone.
Your previous comment was different however.
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we won 2-0 so even if the penalty didnt stand we would still have won 1-0
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Sep 29 2008, 05:10 PM
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If Liverpool had won the toss at Goodison on Saturday then it is unlikely the score would've been 0-2. It does not directly effect the match but indirectly it does.
Of course I follow the argument that events affect games, at any given time there are a multiple of different options which may occur.
Certainly conceding the penalty affected the game, Bolton had to change their game plan because they were no longer hanging on to the one point.
Now Liverpool winning the toss may have changed things but I would have thought that 0:2 was a highly likely score whatever the toss of the coin. It may have been a different score but I dispute whether it was 'unlikely'. This means that given the state of players etc had Liverpool won the toss then there was a less than 50% chance of them winning 2:0.
Of course it is all hypothetical as you can't go back and have the whole game play out again, but if only the toss result had been different, it doesn't follow that the result was unlikely to be 2:0 to Liverpool.
Now if kuyt had been substituted before Torres' 3rd effort and therefore not on the pitch to push a defender, then it might have been 3, but we'll never know. I'm just playing with probability.
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Sep 29 2008, 05:14 PM
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If Liverpool had won the toss at Goodison on Saturday then it is unlikely the score would've been 0-2. It does not directly effect the match but indirectly it does.
Of course I follow the argument that events affect games, at any given time there are a multiple of different options which may occur. Certainly conceding the penalty affected the game, Bolton had to change their game plan because they were no longer hanging on to the one point. Now Liverpool winning the toss may have changed things but I would have thought that 0:2 was a highly likely score whatever the toss of the coin. It may have been a different score but I dispute whether it was 'unlikely'. This means that given the state of players etc had Liverpool won the toss then there was a less than 50% chance of them winning 2:0. Of course it is all hypothetical as you can't go back and have the whole game play out again, but if only the toss result had been different, it doesn't follow that the result was unlikely to be 2:0 to Liverpool. Now if kuyt had been substituted before Torres' 3rd effort and therefore not on the pitch to push a defender, then it might have been 3, but we'll never know. I'm just playing with probability.
Yes I agree. Certain incidents are more likely to affect the outcome than others, although even minor incidents like a coin toss have the ABILITY to be a decisive factor in a result.
Anyway, we're getting more philosophical by the minute. Like we've said, it's all about probability interpretation for human beings.
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