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Best player at your club so far
Topic Started: Dec 7 2008, 02:03 AM (849 Views)
Jeffers
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IMO fergie sees the midfeild when scholes goes as Carrick plus anderson/hargreaves
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Monty
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But why single out Carrick for being a huge factor in our title wins?

Obviously we improved on him, but we certainly could have done better than Carrick.
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TheReturnOfTheKing
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jeffers
Dec 8 2008, 07:27 PM
yer but thats that same with united i dont think carrick is only there to make up the numbers for the CL when u look at the fact we have rooney rio scholes giggs neville brown foster oshea evans (the none english players go toward the players trained by the club).

just the other week u were sayign to drop alonso so u could play keane yet now ur saying alonso is ur best player. carrick does the same as alonso but id say carrick is better at getting the ball back and alonso slightly better at passing it.

carrick has got an end product, the amount of passes he makes and completes is up there with scholes and cesc

Minutes per pass
Paul Scholes 1.16
Francesc Fabregas 1.23
Michael Carrick 1.39
Frank Lampard 1.42
John Obi Mikel 1.44
90 percent of scholes passes are to the back 4 or just across to the winger so they do the work of creating chances.....

similar with carrick.

what you need to look at is chances created per game becuase that is carricks role to create chances form the middle

Minutes per chance created

Francesc Fabregas 25.5
Steven Gerrard 27.3
Ryan Giggs 30.6
Nani 30.7
Florent Malouda 31.8

Chances created per game

Francesc Fabregas 3.50
Steven Gerrard 3.06
Mikel Arteta 2.54
David Bentley 2.43
Ryan Giggs 2.35

as you can see this is last season but the best creative players last season were in that order
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treble
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Keane Is Pants
Dec 8 2008, 07:33 PM
jeffers
Dec 8 2008, 07:27 PM
yer but thats that same with united i dont think carrick is only there to make up the numbers for the CL when u look at the fact we have rooney rio scholes giggs neville brown foster oshea evans (the none english players go toward the players trained by the club).

just the other week u were sayign to drop alonso so u could play keane yet now ur saying alonso is ur best player. carrick does the same as alonso but id say carrick is better at getting the ball back and alonso slightly better at passing it.

carrick has got an end product, the amount of passes he makes and completes is up there with scholes and cesc

Minutes per pass
Paul Scholes 1.16
Francesc Fabregas 1.23
Michael Carrick 1.39
Frank Lampard 1.42
John Obi Mikel 1.44
90 percent of scholes passes are to the back 4 or just across to the winger so they do the work of creating chances.....

similar with carrick.

what you need to look at is chances created per game becuase that is carricks role to create chances form the middle

Minutes per chance created

Francesc Fabregas 25.5
Steven Gerrard 27.3
Ryan Giggs 30.6
Nani 30.7
Florent Malouda 31.8

Chances created per game

Francesc Fabregas 3.50
Steven Gerrard 3.06
Mikel Arteta 2.54
David Bentley 2.43
Ryan Giggs 2.35

as you can see this is last season but the best creative players last season were in that order
But DIP Michael Carrick's role in midfield is not as those other midfielders, so his other passes have to be taken into account because his game is also about breaking up play, defensive role, and playing the simple pass sometimes for someone else to start the move again, not just him...
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treble
Dec 8 2008, 07:38 PM
Keane Is Pants
Dec 8 2008, 07:33 PM
jeffers
Dec 8 2008, 07:27 PM
yer but thats that same with united i dont think carrick is only there to make up the numbers for the CL when u look at the fact we have rooney rio scholes giggs neville brown foster oshea evans (the none english players go toward the players trained by the club).

just the other week u were sayign to drop alonso so u could play keane yet now ur saying alonso is ur best player. carrick does the same as alonso but id say carrick is better at getting the ball back and alonso slightly better at passing it.

carrick has got an end product, the amount of passes he makes and completes is up there with scholes and cesc

Minutes per pass
Paul Scholes 1.16
Francesc Fabregas 1.23
Michael Carrick 1.39
Frank Lampard 1.42
John Obi Mikel 1.44
90 percent of scholes passes are to the back 4 or just across to the winger so they do the work of creating chances.....

similar with carrick.

what you need to look at is chances created per game becuase that is carricks role to create chances form the middle

Minutes per chance created

Francesc Fabregas 25.5
Steven Gerrard 27.3
Ryan Giggs 30.6
Nani 30.7
Florent Malouda 31.8

Chances created per game

Francesc Fabregas 3.50
Steven Gerrard 3.06
Mikel Arteta 2.54
David Bentley 2.43
Ryan Giggs 2.35

as you can see this is last season but the best creative players last season were in that order
But DIP Michael Carrick's role in midfield is not as those other midfielders, so his other passes have to be taken into account because his game is also about breaking up play, defensive role, and playing the simple pass sometimes for someone else to start the move again, not just him...
its KIP

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anyway

i agree but pass accuracy doesnt tell much since most passes are defensive ones or to buuld up play to a winger or defender.

carrick needs to be like alonso of this season to be considered better than good this season.....thats his role, very similar to his. carrick is a good player but for me hargreaves over him all the time
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Keane Is Pants
Dec 8 2008, 07:40 PM
treble
Dec 8 2008, 07:38 PM
Keane Is Pants
Dec 8 2008, 07:33 PM
jeffers
Dec 8 2008, 07:27 PM
yer but thats that same with united i dont think carrick is only there to make up the numbers for the CL when u look at the fact we have rooney rio scholes giggs neville brown foster oshea evans (the none english players go toward the players trained by the club).

just the other week u were sayign to drop alonso so u could play keane yet now ur saying alonso is ur best player. carrick does the same as alonso but id say carrick is better at getting the ball back and alonso slightly better at passing it.

carrick has got an end product, the amount of passes he makes and completes is up there with scholes and cesc

Minutes per pass
Paul Scholes 1.16
Francesc Fabregas 1.23
Michael Carrick 1.39
Frank Lampard 1.42
John Obi Mikel 1.44
90 percent of scholes passes are to the back 4 or just across to the winger so they do the work of creating chances.....

similar with carrick.

what you need to look at is chances created per game becuase that is carricks role to create chances form the middle

Minutes per chance created

Francesc Fabregas 25.5
Steven Gerrard 27.3
Ryan Giggs 30.6
Nani 30.7
Florent Malouda 31.8

Chances created per game

Francesc Fabregas 3.50
Steven Gerrard 3.06
Mikel Arteta 2.54
David Bentley 2.43
Ryan Giggs 2.35

as you can see this is last season but the best creative players last season were in that order
But DIP Michael Carrick's role in midfield is not as those other midfielders, so his other passes have to be taken into account because his game is also about breaking up play, defensive role, and playing the simple pass sometimes for someone else to start the move again, not just him...
its KIP

HOW WOULD YOU LIKE IT IF IT CALLED YOU FEBLE?

anyway

i agree but pass accuracy doesnt tell much since most passes are defensive ones or to buuld up play to a winger or defender.

carrick needs to be like alonso of this season to be considered better than good this season.....thats his role, very similar to his. carrick is a good player but for me hargreaves over him all the time
I can't keep up with your name changes. Are you having some sort of identity crisis or what :lol:

Well I think Carrick does Alonso's role pretty well. The trouble is (and this isn't aimed at you) that even Alonso has his critics the moment things go wrong for Liverpool and ppl seem to forget his injuries etc in the past and laid into him too. I've heard plenty of Liverpool fans in the past saying they could do better than Alonso. The same thing is happening with Carrick. I don't know if you've been reading my posts on previous pages but I do see Carrick and Alonso as very similar in the sense they need a player who can provide a more attacking or experienced role next to them otherwise it's too much to rely on Carrick or Alonso to make up for the loss of (or take on the duties of) players like Scholes or Gerrard in addition to their usual roles.
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fair point but alonso has stepped up to the next level this season, for me for carrick to be good enough as a first 11 at united he needs to do this too
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I agree, but he still needs someone who can take on Scholes or Hargreaves role next to him. This has to be Anderson for now (or until we buy someone in Jan but looking unlikely cos of what fergie said).
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i just dont see how united can afford it

they just bought berba for 30m and they seem to be having a budget of like 30m per season now.
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Yeah I don't see it either KIP. Anderson has been fantastic but we need some goals from midfield and he has to be one of those along with the likes of Nani, Park, and even Carrick to be contributing. Anderson has been very good, a ball winner, a good passer, but he now needs to take it to next level and do things like Gerrard and Scholes imo. A bit soon to be asking for this perhaps but IF that is to be the partnership in the middle then Carrick needs that from Anderson.
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TheReturnOfTheKing
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it is too soon, i said it before anderson can become the new gerrard.

remember at 21 gerrard, lampard and ballack were worse than anderson.....

still i just hate carrick lol
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Keane Is Pants
Dec 8 2008, 07:33 PM
jeffers
Dec 8 2008, 07:27 PM
yer but thats that same with united i dont think carrick is only there to make up the numbers for the CL when u look at the fact we have rooney rio scholes giggs neville brown foster oshea evans (the none english players go toward the players trained by the club).

just the other week u were sayign to drop alonso so u could play keane yet now ur saying alonso is ur best player. carrick does the same as alonso but id say carrick is better at getting the ball back and alonso slightly better at passing it.

carrick has got an end product, the amount of passes he makes and completes is up there with scholes and cesc

Minutes per pass
Paul Scholes 1.16
Francesc Fabregas 1.23
Michael Carrick 1.39
Frank Lampard 1.42
John Obi Mikel 1.44
90 percent of scholes passes are to the back 4 or just across to the winger so they do the work of creating chances.....

similar with carrick.

what you need to look at is chances created per game becuase that is carricks role to create chances form the middle

Minutes per chance created

Francesc Fabregas 25.5
Steven Gerrard 27.3
Ryan Giggs 30.6
Nani 30.7
Florent Malouda 31.8

Chances created per game

Francesc Fabregas 3.50
Steven Gerrard 3.06
Mikel Arteta 2.54
David Bentley 2.43
Ryan Giggs 2.35

as you can see this is last season but the best creative players last season were in that order
That's not necessarily true. Giggs and Nani played less games than the likes of Gerrard and would have created less chances in less time, hence a better ratio. It's like saying Kieran Richardson is one of the best goalscorers for England because he scored 2 goals in like 2 games.
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Dec 8 2008, 07:57 PM
Yeah I don't see it either KIP. Anderson has been fantastic but we need some goals from midfield and he has to be one of those along with the likes of Nani, Park, and even Carrick to be contributing. Anderson has been very good, a ball winner, a good passer, but he now needs to take it to next level and do things like Gerrard and Scholes imo. A bit soon to be asking for this perhaps but IF that is to be the partnership in the middle then Carrick needs that from Anderson.
Anderson has no composure in front of goal what-so-ever.

The only thing that bugs me about Carrick is that he can run with the ball but he doesn't do it often enough or shoot often enough for my liking. Most of his shots are pretty good when he does decide to shoot...
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Dec 8 2008, 10:34 PM
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Yeah I don't see it either KIP. Anderson has been fantastic but we need some goals from midfield and he has to be one of those along with the likes of Nani, Park, and even Carrick to be contributing. Anderson has been very good, a ball winner, a good passer, but he now needs to take it to next level and do things like Gerrard and Scholes imo. A bit soon to be asking for this perhaps but IF that is to be the partnership in the middle then Carrick needs that from Anderson.
Anderson has no composure in front of goal what-so-ever.

The only thing that bugs me about Carrick is that he can run with the ball but he doesn't do it often enough or shoot often enough for my liking. Most of his shots are pretty good when he does decide to shoot...
I think that will come for Anderson but until then it will put more pressure on Carrick imo.

Did Keane tho, not really he wasn't prolific either and when he did he was pretty good too (except the later years). What about the likes of Nani, Park, Fletcher (who was scoring before injury) and even Giggs need to chip in (as well as Anderson).
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Anderson's shortcomings shouldn't be placed on Carrick though. :S

Nani's not played much, Park should have a couple but he seems to be a foot away from every cross that goes in. :lol:
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