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John Terry is a cheat
Topic Started: Dec 7 2008, 07:57 PM (264 Views)
KingEric
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There were 2 pretty obvious handball's yesterday, i really don't like this guy at all. Especially seeing as everyone makes out he is above cheating, he is not!
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Cheat might be a bit harsh, but I agree he has a history of doing this. He hasn't done it for a couple of seasons but I've seen him do this numerous times in the past, jumping in front of the ball arms flayling and never being giving for handball. Consider the 2 yesterday and the one given against the Stoke player in the Carling Cup. BUT the trouble is you can't blame JT, if he gets away with it it's not his fault, the refs need to grow some balls.

This also asks a bigger question about "handballs". I think the term "intentional" should be changed to "avoidable". So many times ppl say well it wasn't intentional, but if he hadn't been flayling his arms about then he would not have prevented a goalscoring opportunity, ie. it was avoidable.
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If he got punished for the handballs then it's not exactly cheating.
Simmer...
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Homer????????????
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TheReturnOfTheKing
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RetardedDwarf
Dec 7 2008, 08:31 PM
Homer????????????


you called?
Edited by TheReturnOfTheKing, Dec 7 2008, 08:33 PM.
no
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Dec 7 2008, 08:16 PM
Cheat might be a bit harsh, but I agree he has a history of doing this. He hasn't done it for a couple of seasons but I've seen him do this numerous times in the past, jumping in front of the ball arms flayling and never being giving for handball. Consider the 2 yesterday and the one given against the Stoke player in the Carling Cup. BUT the trouble is you can't blame JT, if he gets away with it it's not his fault, the refs need to grow some balls.

This also asks a bigger question about "handballs". I think the term "intentional" should be changed to "avoidable". So many times ppl say well it wasn't intentional, but if he hadn't been flayling his arms about then he would not have prevented a goalscoring opportunity, ie. it was avoidable.
I think that this is being considered treble.

Maybe we'll see it for next season. It certainly makes a load of sense.

However, I would go for 'deliberate' (the current wording) OR 'committed recklessly'.

Reckless is already definedfor certain tackles, so would fit in here because we'd be saying that if a player goes in with his arms flailing about, and the ball hits the arm / hand, then this is handball too because the player was reckless in his approach.

Only concern would be how long it took for a player to 'play' for a handball in this scenario ?
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Dec 7 2008, 08:33 PM
RetardedDwarf
Dec 7 2008, 08:31 PM
Homer????????????


you called?
he said homer not homo :lol:
"My idea was to build Liverpool into a bastion of invincibility.Napoleon had that idea.He wanted to conquer the bloody world.I wanted Liverpool to be untouchable.My idea was to build Liverpool up and up until eventually everyone would have to submit and give in." Bill Shankly
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blah
Dec 8 2008, 02:57 PM
Keane Is Pants
Dec 7 2008, 08:33 PM
RetardedDwarf
Dec 7 2008, 08:31 PM
Homer????????????


you called?
he said homer not homo :lol:
:rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl:
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Dec 8 2008, 02:55 PM
treble
Dec 7 2008, 08:16 PM
Cheat might be a bit harsh, but I agree he has a history of doing this. He hasn't done it for a couple of seasons but I've seen him do this numerous times in the past, jumping in front of the ball arms flayling and never being giving for handball. Consider the 2 yesterday and the one given against the Stoke player in the Carling Cup. BUT the trouble is you can't blame JT, if he gets away with it it's not his fault, the refs need to grow some balls.

This also asks a bigger question about "handballs". I think the term "intentional" should be changed to "avoidable". So many times ppl say well it wasn't intentional, but if he hadn't been flayling his arms about then he would not have prevented a goalscoring opportunity, ie. it was avoidable.
I think that this is being considered treble.

Maybe we'll see it for next season. It certainly makes a load of sense.

However, I would go for 'deliberate' (the current wording) OR 'committed recklessly'.

Reckless is already definedfor certain tackles, so would fit in here because we'd be saying that if a player goes in with his arms flailing about, and the ball hits the arm / hand, then this is handball too because the player was reckless in his approach.

Only concern would be how long it took for a player to 'play' for a handball in this scenario ?
His handball wasn't reckless, it was calculated. Opposites.
Simmer...
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TheReturnOfTheKing
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It'sREDinRussia
Dec 8 2008, 04:18 PM
TheCraftyCockerel
Dec 8 2008, 02:55 PM
treble
Dec 7 2008, 08:16 PM
Cheat might be a bit harsh, but I agree he has a history of doing this. He hasn't done it for a couple of seasons but I've seen him do this numerous times in the past, jumping in front of the ball arms flayling and never being giving for handball. Consider the 2 yesterday and the one given against the Stoke player in the Carling Cup. BUT the trouble is you can't blame JT, if he gets away with it it's not his fault, the refs need to grow some balls.

This also asks a bigger question about "handballs". I think the term "intentional" should be changed to "avoidable". So many times ppl say well it wasn't intentional, but if he hadn't been flayling his arms about then he would not have prevented a goalscoring opportunity, ie. it was avoidable.
I think that this is being considered treble.

Maybe we'll see it for next season. It certainly makes a load of sense.

However, I would go for 'deliberate' (the current wording) OR 'committed recklessly'.

Reckless is already definedfor certain tackles, so would fit in here because we'd be saying that if a player goes in with his arms flailing about, and the ball hits the arm / hand, then this is handball too because the player was reckless in his approach.

Only concern would be how long it took for a player to 'play' for a handball in this scenario ?
His handball wasn't reckless, it was calculated. Opposites.
Well if it's deliberate then it's already covered, but Crafty's point about covering "reckless" handballs is a good one and one which would corner the likes of JT and Stephen Taylor who atm seem to hide behind the claim it wasn't deliberate.
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roo86
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so wats your point? countless players cheat.. even some of your team
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simple way to eradicate this is to have all handballs, intentional or not, are deemed a foul.

Hockey have a similar foul with the ball hitting the foot whether it's intentional or not.

at least this way there wouldn't be interpretation of the alleged intention or not.
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azward
Dec 8 2008, 07:30 PM
simple way to eradicate this is to have all handballs, intentional or not, are deemed a foul.

Hockey have a similar foul with the ball hitting the foot whether it's intentional or not.

at least this way there wouldn't be interpretation of the alleged intention or not.
did i say 'or not' enough in that post? Or not?
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azward
Dec 8 2008, 07:30 PM
simple way to eradicate this is to have all handballs, intentional or not, are deemed a foul.

Hockey have a similar foul with the ball hitting the foot whether it's intentional or not.

at least this way there wouldn't be interpretation of the alleged intention or not.
U would then have players aiming the ball at other players arms in the box to get a penalty. Not that dif to hit a players arms from 8 foot away.
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