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Top managers....; for transfers
Topic Started: Jan 20 2009, 04:13 PM (1,032 Views)
Ricky
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Jimmymac
Jan 20 2009, 04:43 PM
RickyKaka22
Jan 20 2009, 04:40 PM
Moyes is incredible. If he were to leave in the morning and people were to look at the state of the club now compared to when he took over they have to give due recognition to his legacy at Everton.
aye, the squad was ancient when moyes took over and needed a major revamp. Another point to make is that he has had to deal with Bill Kenwright, I think even most Everton supporters will tell you that in its own right should mean giving Moyes a medal. Kenwright can be a right muppet at times.
And it was just'nt the age profile of the squad, they were genuinley involved in various relegation battles before he arrived
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Jan 20 2009, 04:30 PM
@ dagunners - missing the point being made completely then.....


@ keano - fair point, but look at where moyes has been getting everton to in the league lately, managed a 4th place finish not long ago and in general have been pushing the top places fairly regularly lately.
What point was that?

All I know is that Wenger has spent less, bought better players, and won more...
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the point of buying within your means, arsene has been superb, as I said previously, but his club comes with a higher stature to attrack players and with the ability to pay a far more lucarative salary than lower clubs can. Between the two managers I would hazard that there is not a lot in it in terms of net spending/profit due to the likes of Rooney's transfer alone.
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No, there is a big difference actually. We have actually made money in terms of transfers in Wengers tenure. I posted a table on here long ago. I'll try to find it...
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Here you go Jimmy. Arsene is amazing:
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go for it, but as I said, its not about net profit/loss, its about living within your means. Moyes has been vastly restricted in what he can do in comparison to wenger. Wenger has a club with the stature to attract just about anyone he choose and they can afford to pay the wages too. Look at the difference in wage bills between the two clubs, Arsenal are paying nearly £50 million a year more than Everton are, should we factor that into the equation too, if we did then Moyes would be far ahead of Wenger.

As I said though, and as some seem incapable of comprehending, this is not a pop at wenger, he's a master in the transfer market, but he's not there on his own, there are other managers as evidenced here who can achieve fantastic things in the transfer market on far less means.
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Can't believe this...Look what Wegner took over & Moyes. Wegner had Bergkamp, Wright, Adams, Seaman, etc etc to build upon. Moyes had nobody and could hardly attract players to the club
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Henry, Vieria, Anelka plus many more have been sold for more than have been bought for. Yes he had a team to build on and could attract big names but he didn't buy names. Henry who was playing on the wing at Juve and Vieira practically taken from AC Milan reserves.
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Jan 20 2009, 05:17 PM
Henry, Vieria, Anelka plus many more have been sold for more than have been bought for. Yes he had a team to build on and could attract big names but he didn't buy names. Henry who was playing on the wing at Juve and Vieira practically taken from AC Milan reserves.
Henry won a World Cup & had played in the Monaco team that knocke United out of the quarter finals of the CL, the romantic notions that he wasn't well know as completley wide of the mark.
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And don't forget the contacts and clout Wenger has within certain footballing circles in France especially their national academy Clairefontaine.

Both managers are very good for transfers.
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Jan 20 2009, 05:12 PM
go for it, but as I said, its not about net profit/loss, its about living within your means. Moyes has been vastly restricted in what he can do in comparison to wenger. Wenger has a club with the stature to attract just about anyone he choose and they can afford to pay the wages too. Look at the difference in wage bills between the two clubs, Arsenal are paying nearly £50 million a year more than Everton are, should we factor that into the equation too, if we did then Moyes would be far ahead of Wenger.

As I said though, and as some seem incapable of comprehending, this is not a pop at wenger, he's a master in the transfer market, but he's not there on his own, there are other managers as evidenced here who can achieve fantastic things in the transfer market on far less means.
Wenger is living within his means. We built a new stadium and Wenger accepted the financial restrictions that would come with it...
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Jan 20 2009, 05:20 PM
And don't forget the contacts and clout Wenger has within certain footballing circles in France especially their national academy Clairefontaine.

Both managers are very good for transfers.
How many players has Wenger bought who played at Clairefontaine? I can only think of Diaby and Aliadiere...
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Jan 20 2009, 05:19 PM
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Henry, Vieria, Anelka plus many more have been sold for more than have been bought for. Yes he had a team to build on and could attract big names but he didn't buy names. Henry who was playing on the wing at Juve and Vieira practically taken from AC Milan reserves.
Henry won a World Cup & had played in the Monaco team that knocke United out of the quarter finals of the CL, the romantic notions that he wasn't well know as completley wide of the mark.
Was Henry a big name? Which is what I said. I don't think he was. :S Alot of players are well known.
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Jan 20 2009, 05:10 PM
Here you go Jimmy. Arsene is amazing:
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so £21 million is the difference between the two basically, hardly a mile away from each other is it.

not sure about those figurse though, everton spending £23.1 million in the 05-06 season, swear thats out by about £10 million....

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Davies - 4 million
Koldrup - 5million
Neville - undisclosed, alleged to be around £4-5million
Valente - 1.5 million
Van Der Meyde - undisclosed, alleged to be around £2million
stubbs - free

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bent - £2million

net spend - £15.5 million

so that looks to be around £8 million out there, takes us down to a deficit of around £13 million now.....
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Jan 20 2009, 05:22 PM
treble
Jan 20 2009, 05:20 PM
And don't forget the contacts and clout Wenger has within certain footballing circles in France especially their national academy Clairefontaine.

Both managers are very good for transfers.
How many players has Wenger bought who played at Clairefontaine? I can only think of Diaby and Aliadiere...
Henry, Gallas, Anelka. Arsenal made a fairly tidy sum from selling Anelka didn't they?
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