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Top managers....; for transfers
Topic Started: Jan 20 2009, 04:13 PM (1,031 Views)
Jimmymac™
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Jan 20 2009, 05:21 PM
Wenger is living within his means. We built a new stadium and Wenger accepted the financial restrictions that would come with it...
come off it, wenger has had money available, if he hasnt then your board has been swiping money off the top. You got a loan for that stadium, wheres all the money from titles won, TV rights etc gone too, there would have been shed loads in the pot, Wenger has chosen to spend what he has done, but he has had the choice in that matter, not forced into it
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£22m made from selling Anelka.
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haven't read the whole thread because I've done tons of reading already today but yeah jimmyjames, props to Moyes
flak and gary love stacie and weep sorrowful tears when she's not around

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Jan 20 2009, 05:26 PM
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Jan 20 2009, 05:22 PM
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Jan 20 2009, 05:20 PM
And don't forget the contacts and clout Wenger has within certain footballing circles in France especially their national academy Clairefontaine.

Both managers are very good for transfers.
How many players has Wenger bought who played at Clairefontaine? I can only think of Diaby and Aliadiere...
Henry, Gallas, Anelka. Arsenal made a fairly tidy sum from selling Anelka didn't they?
Wenger bought Henry because he had him at Anelka. Gallas was not acquired at all based on his time at Clairefontaine. I don't think it has any correlation for signing these players, but its besides the point of the topic at hand.

Moyes is in no way, shape, or form better than Arsene in the transfer market...
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Jan 20 2009, 05:29 PM
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Jan 20 2009, 05:26 PM
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Jan 20 2009, 05:22 PM
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Jan 20 2009, 05:20 PM
And don't forget the contacts and clout Wenger has within certain footballing circles in France especially their national academy Clairefontaine.

Both managers are very good for transfers.
How many players has Wenger bought who played at Clairefontaine? I can only think of Diaby and Aliadiere...
Henry, Gallas, Anelka. Arsenal made a fairly tidy sum from selling Anelka didn't they?
Wenger bought Henry because he had him at Anelka. Gallas was not acquired at all based on his time at Clairefontaine. I don't think it has any correlation for signing these players, but its besides the point of the topic at hand.

Moyes is in no way, shape, or form better than Arsene in the transfer market...
I think it has everything to do with this topic and if you wanna see the relevance I refer you to Gooner's post above about the profit made from the sale of Anelka :)
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again to add about the spending, that 2004-05 figures take into account Rooney initial fee only, can a united fan let me know the details of what the inital fee was as its stated in the united accounts that in total extra payments have taken it to £31 million now.

That should be another chunk of change off of moyes spending and take him to within under £10 million of Wengers.....
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Jan 20 2009, 05:29 PM
Moyes is in no way, shape, or form better than Arsene in the transfer market...
Your'e nopt comparing like with like there. Maybe Benitez or Ferguson or Ancelotti or another manager of a top European side.
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Jan 20 2009, 05:33 PM
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Jan 20 2009, 05:29 PM
Moyes is in no way, shape, or form better than Arsene in the transfer market...
Your'e nopt comparing like with like there. Maybe Benitez or Ferguson or Ancelotti or another manager of a top European side.
Don't tell me, I didn't make the thread.

But if the question was who is better in the transfer market, Moyes or Wenger, it would be the latter every time. Anyone who says differently is either biased of Anti Arsenal/Wenger in my opinion. That's all I got to say on the subject before this thread turns into something else...
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Jan 20 2009, 05:10 PM
Here you go Jimmy. Arsene is amazing:
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so just to recap this point, the 05-06 figures for everton appear to be out by around £8 million and the 04-05 figures don't take into account the add ons for Rooneys fee over the years, I need clarification on the inital fee paid to work that one out but I hazard Everton have receved easily over £5 million more on rooney since the inital fee was paid. So thats around £13 million+ more that moyes has actually made over the years. Just how far apart does that leave the two....


As I say though, this wasnt meant to be a dig at wenger but it does seem impossible to even suggest someone might compare to the man without it being taken as a dig at him. Wage bills between the clubs are vastly different, almost £50 million a year more being spent by arsenal on wages.....
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Jimmy, if you want to talk about add ons for Everton, you have to talk about Arsenal's add ons too, which I am not sure about.
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Jan 20 2009, 05:36 PM

But if the question was who is better in the transfer market, Moyes or Wenger,
which is wasn't :rolleyes:
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Personally, I would say Moyes has been the eye-opener I thought he'd spent more tbh, and for the amount he has netted, for him to get Everton from relegation to playing regular UEFA cup as well as qualifying for the Champions League is amazing achievement tbf.
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Jan 20 2009, 05:39 PM
Jimmy, if you want to talk about add ons for Everton, you have to talk about Arsenal's add ons too, which I am not sure about.
and just what add ons might they be.........

still not commenting on the wage bill i see though
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Arteta and Cahill were two great buys and credit to them both for staying with Everton when they no doubt had offers to go elsewhere. Neville for £3.5m or whatever it was is a snip of the price too. I'm not too keen on players like Osman and Pienaar, they aren't the best individuals but their team-play is good at least.

As for Moyes the next United manager, it's a strong possibility if Fergie has a say in the appointment considering all the deals between the two clubs....not sure how Rooney would get on with Moyes though. I was reading an article the other day about that NFL team the Glazer's own and when their old coach retired they appointed a relative novice....they seem to think the same could happen with United.

On the Wenger/Moyes debate...think you have to take into account the scouting networks of the two clubs. It's not like Wenger finds all of the players he buys.
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Jan 20 2009, 05:40 PM
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Jan 20 2009, 05:39 PM
Jimmy, if you want to talk about add ons for Everton, you have to talk about Arsenal's add ons too, which I am not sure about.
and just what add ons might they be.........

still not commenting on the wage bill i see though
The add ons of players we sold, who then get sold again. We make money on all those deals because of clauses Wenger puts into contracts.

No, I am not talking about wage bill. Why should I? We have a far bigger club. Also, better players usually demand higher wages ;)
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