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Top managers....; for transfers
Topic Started: Jan 20 2009, 04:13 PM (1,026 Views)
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RedHotCherryPopper
Jan 21 2009, 12:10 AM
Wenger has a lot more to offer than Moyes, and has bought great young players for pittance due to a wonderful scouting network, and possibly stubborness to spend big. I am not doubting Wenger as he is a true genius in the footballing world for what he has done, Arsenal play some of the most attractive football around.

On the other hand Everton are not such a big club, and were fighting with relegation when Moyes came in, he revamped the club tore out the rubbish and made it his own team, with less to offer than Arsenal, Moyes gets my vote.

Mention to Allardyce, who used the free transfer system wonderfully and took Bolton to heights im sure they never could of achieved without him.
Yes he had more to offer but he got in better players just as unknown. Fabregas 500k Moyes will never have a signing that good or Vieira for £3.5m. Anelka 500k. These are as good as any signings Moyes has ever made.
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Jan 21 2009, 12:18 AM
RedHotCherryPopper
Jan 21 2009, 12:10 AM
Wenger has a lot more to offer than Moyes, and has bought great young players for pittance due to a wonderful scouting network, and possibly stubborness to spend big. I am not doubting Wenger as he is a true genius in the footballing world for what he has done, Arsenal play some of the most attractive football around.

On the other hand Everton are not such a big club, and were fighting with relegation when Moyes came in, he revamped the club tore out the rubbish and made it his own team, with less to offer than Arsenal, Moyes gets my vote.

Mention to Allardyce, who used the free transfer system wonderfully and took Bolton to heights im sure they never could of achieved without him.
Yes he had more to offer but he got in better players just as unknown. Fabregas 500k Moyes will never have a signing that good or Vieira for £3.5m. Anelka 500k. These are as good as any signings Moyes has ever made.
But thats as much to do with Wengers scouting network though.
Moyes has bought in players without Everton having the guarantee of CL football and pushing for the title. These would be a motivation for the players, without doubt.
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Still Wenger has final say on them signing. Its still a gamble thats his fault if it goes wrong. Yes he has had that to offer but they have been better than what we have seen at Everton so its balances itself out.
If other clubs are not interested they would see Everton as a good chance to show what they can do.
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dagunners this was never slating arsenal or wenger. yet once again u turned it into an arsenal vs thread. u have little to say of any relevance to anyone and if u got banned u would not be missed.

wenger inherited the best back line in prem history so could gamble on players like anelka and henry. moyes had a very poor team and has made them into a very good team IMO that have more strength in depth at this moment in time than arsenal liverpool and villa. even without a striker they r doing well in the toughest league in the world.
wenger gets players when they r very young and had an already established team. moyes has to pay a bit more for players that will defo suit the prem.

can u not see the weaknesss in wenger at the moment relying on the younger players when he hasnt got an established team??? yes the r good to watch but r they going to win anything??? no, not enough strength in depth. they r very fortunate that they have gallas to bail them out at times.

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everton have spent little and are a very good team that are hard to beat. arteta is good enough to get in any top 4 side
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Moyes has done an amazing job at Everton and while i don't want the thread to spill out of control again i am inclined to agree with Jimmy that he is the rival to Wenger in the transfer market. When Wenger took over at Arsenal the club already had a good foundation and some recent success.

Wenger did amazingly well in bringing players like Anelka, Henry, Viera through. The fact of the matter is when Moyes took over at Everton the club had very little to offer a player. I mean the team hadn't been successful in quite awhile, no offence to anyone from the Liverpool area but a young foreign player is always going to go to the glamour of London over the gloom of Merseyside everytime. I mean if someone like Viera had been approached by Arsenal and Everton at the same time, he was going to choose Arsenal everytime.

Arsenal had at the time when Wenger took over players like Bergkamp,Wright, Merson and probably the best defence in the league. When Moyes took over Everton had players like Radzinski, Kevin Campbell, Blomqvist and Gravesen. It's pretty easy to spot which team would have it easier in attracting talent.

I'm not taking anything away from Wenger because imo he is only 2nd to Ferguson in the managerial stakes but Moyes has had the harder job. A less popular location, lack of funds, a squad whose only realistic aim was survival or mid table at best yet he has grafted a very good squad from the little he has had to work with.

I'm not saying one is better than the other because it's horses for courses, Redknapp has done great at smaller clubs but it doesn't mean he would succeed at a club like Utd though. Same for Wenger and Moyes if the roles where reversed.
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Wenger relying on youngsters, when your easily the best in the transfer market you can do that becuase you know they will be good enough. ;) :fishing:
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Wengers record in the transfer market is second to none, but he doesn't find nobodies and turn them into great players.

He makes good players into great players, which is a slightly different tract to which Moyles does (he finds average and turns them into good/very good players)
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jeffers
Jan 21 2009, 04:46 AM
dagunners this was never slating arsenal or wenger. yet once again u turned it into an arsenal vs thread. u have little to say of any relevance to anyone and if u got banned u would not be missed.

wenger inherited the best back line in prem history so could gamble on players like anelka and henry. moyes had a very poor team and has made them into a very good team IMO that have more strength in depth at this moment in time than arsenal liverpool and villa. even without a striker they r doing well in the toughest league in the world.
wenger gets players when they r very young and had an already established team. moyes has to pay a bit more for players that will defo suit the prem.

can u not see the weaknesss in wenger at the moment relying on the younger players when he hasnt got an established team??? yes the r good to watch but r they going to win anything??? no, not enough strength in depth. they r very fortunate that they have gallas to bail them out at times.

back on topic:

everton have spent little and are a very good team that are hard to beat. arteta is good enough to get in any top 4 side
That's very harsh and doesn't actually help, especially as you yourself then go on to talk about Wenger and Arsenal being weak. If people want to have a go at DaG for being defensive, perhaps they themselves shouldn't start attacking Arsenal or its manager as I'm sure that wasn't what the thread was intended for.
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Why did this thread make everyone so touchy, Jimmy plainly states that Wenger is the best in the transfer market. Obviously to see how good someone is they will need to be compared to Wenger, why'd everyone get so defensive. :unsure:
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Jan 21 2009, 05:19 AM
Moyes has done an amazing job at Everton and while i don't want the thread to spill out of control again i am inclined to agree with Jimmy that he is the rival to Wenger in the transfer market. When Wenger took over at Arsenal the club already had a good foundation and some recent success.

Wenger did amazingly well in bringing players like Anelka, Henry, Viera through. The fact of the matter is when Moyes took over at Everton the club had very little to offer a player. I mean the team hadn't been successful in quite awhile, no offence to anyone from the Liverpool area but a young foreign player is always going to go to the glamour of London over the gloom of Merseyside everytime. I mean if someone like Viera had been approached by Arsenal and Everton at the same time, he was going to choose Arsenal everytime.

Arsenal had at the time when Wenger took over players like Bergkamp,Wright, Merson and probably the best defence in the league. When Moyes took over Everton had players like Radzinski, Kevin Campbell, Blomqvist and Gravesen. It's pretty easy to spot which team would have it easier in attracting talent.

I'm not taking anything away from Wenger because imo he is only 2nd to Ferguson in the managerial stakes but Moyes has had the harder job. A less popular location, lack of funds, a squad whose only realistic aim was survival or mid table at best yet he has grafted a very good squad from the little he has had to work with.

I'm not saying one is better than the other because it's horses for courses, Redknapp has done great at smaller clubs but it doesn't mean he would succeed at a club like Utd though. Same for Wenger and Moyes if the roles where reversed.
That's a quality post well done Dadday. :clap:
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