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Topic Started: Jul 17 2009, 09:41 AM (687 Views)
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"I don't think JT will move because he's Chelsea through and through. But football's a business. I think he'll stay at Chelsea because they won't want to lose him," Beckham said ahead of LA Galaxy's game on Thursday night against New York Red Bulls, his first back in the United States since his loan period in Milan.

Beckham questioned suggestions that the dizzying contract on offer from City, of close to £200,000-a-week plus bonuses and a significant signing-on fee, had turned the 28 year-old's head.

Pre-season friendlies guide "If you've got passion to play for the club you're at, then that goes beyond money," he said. "JT's like that. He's passionate about football, not passionate about money.

"He'll decide what's best for his football career. It won't be about money for him. At the end of the day, he's England captain and you don't become England captain being greedy."

Interestingly City manager Mark Hughes had posed the question earlier this week as to whether that passion for Chelsea had ebbed when he stated that he felt Terry needed a new challenge. And certainly those close to him have claimed that Terry is concerned about the sporting ambitions of Chelsea

As expected, Terry boarded the flight to Seattle for the four-match sequence, which begins on Saturday against Seattle Sounders, still having not made a public utterance about whether he intends to commit to the club he has always played for and, at the very least, see out the remaining three years of his contract.

Chelsea are making plans. Ricardo Carvalho, who had been informed earlier this summer that he could leave for Inter Milan – who Chelsea face next week – if the right offer was made for him by Jose Mourinho, has now been told he will not be sold.

The change of heart may be due to new manager Carlo Ancelotti having had the opportunity to look at the Portuguese defender in training, but there is also the suspicion that if Terry is prised away then Chelsea do not want to leave themselves lacking experience at the heart of the team.

Inter are yet to make a sufficient cash offer for Carvalho, or Deco, who they also want, but Chelsea have informed the player, who wants to go, that a deal is not being countenanced.

Beckham made his own dramatic exit in leaving Manchester United for Real Madrid in 2003 and he again spoke about how raw that departure was.

"I would never have gone to another English club from Manchester United," he said. "At the time, I didn't even want to leave Manchester United. So, I knew that once I left there I had to go to somewhere on a par with United and that was Real Madrid, in my eyes."

Did he regret leaving? "No, because it wasn't in my hands," Beckham said. "There was nothing that I could have done about it. But I've always said that, from the moment I left to now, that I always wanted to stay at Manchester United for my whole career.

"I missed it. I couldn't even bear to watch Manchester United on the TV for the first three years after leaving just because it hurt me a lot."

His time at LA Galaxy has also, in terms of football if not finances, been tough. It is evident that he has been angered by the criticism he has faced, not least from his team-mate Landon Donovan in a recently published book.

The two players have talked, in a meeting brokered by coach Bruce Arena, but Beckham is still annoyed.

Meanwhile, Joe Cole has been ruled out of Chelsea's tour after suffering an injury setback. The midfielder, who has been out since January through cruciate knee ligament damage, and has now undergone an operation after suffering a small tear to his meniscus in the knee. He will miss the first month of the season.


He does have a point but its abit rich coming from a man who gave up his footballing career because his washed up wife wanted to be a celebrity in america :lol:

Also whys no one saying that city will be a mjor force in years to come?? Do you actually think these guys are going to pump this much money into the club and have nothing to show for it?!?!

Well if you believe there just happy with a top 6 year after year then your clueless about business and football
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Relax mate, City may become successful but not immediately, so I don't see why players should waste years of their career at City. Careers are too short for that.
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Jul 17 2009, 09:47 AM
Relax mate, City may become successful but not immediately, so I don't see why players should waste years of their career at City. Careers are too short for that.
:blink: So good players should basically only go to top 4 clubs.... Really IRIR and you say City are ruining football.... :blink:
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If they want the best from their careers then of course they should....wtf.
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Jul 17 2009, 09:56 AM
If they want the best from their careers then of course they should....wtf.
:rofl: :rofl: Dude that's just saying that no player ever should take a chance on an up and coming club because there is a top 4 which is pretty much set in stone.... And according to you a top 4 club would be the only worthwhile club.... That sounds a bit like Blatter when he talks about English football... How is footy and the PL especially ever going to get more dynamic and interesting when the top 4 is't broken....
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Why does football have to change? Why should players want it to change?

Players make moves for themselves, not because they want the top four to be broken...moot point.

The fact is, John Terry is a world class defender and from now, until the end of his career, he should be making sure he increases his reputation and stature as much as possibly, and for that Champions League football really helps. Going to City means no CL football for one season, and probably more, and he cannot afford to do that if he has aspirations of cementing his place in footballing legend. It's not a difficult concept to grasp.
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Jul 17 2009, 10:05 AM
Why does football have to change? Why should players want it to change?

Players make moves for themselves, not because they want the top four to be broken...moot point.

The fact is, John Terry is a world class defender and from now, until the end of his career, he should be making sure he increases his reputation and stature as much as possibly, and for that Champions League football really helps. Going to City means no CL football for one season, and probably more, and he cannot afford to do that if he has aspirations of cementing his place in footballing legend. It's not a difficult concept to grasp.
You are talking specifically about Terry (one single player) which I already said I do not particularly wnat, not because he's not an awesome defender but because I'd feel uncomfortable with having Mr Chelsea in our team...

Why shouldn't it change? if the current top 4 would be the top 4 for eternity football would become rather Boring.... Also it should change cause it's nice to see united fans like you becoming soo bitter :p there are also other very good reasons, which would see money (yes that means city too) having less of an influence on the game, but since that is not happening you can hardly start moaning when a club comes into a lot of money and starts to spend... You have been doing it for years and years.....


Yeah players make moves for themselves..... And their personal reasons might well include trying to break the top 4 :)
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Listen, I don't know why you're talking about the benefits of teams breaking the top four, because that has nothing to do with a player's reasoning to move. The bottom line is, top players at CL clubs, like Adebayor for example, should want as many CL seasons as possible in their career. European football is the benchmark and because careers are so short, players should get as much out of them as possible.
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Jul 17 2009, 10:19 AM
Listen, I don't know why you're talking about the benefits of teams breaking the top four, because that has nothing to do with a player's reasoning to move. The bottom line is, top players at CL clubs, like Adebayor for example, should want as many CL seasons as possible in their career. European football is the benchmark and because careers are so short, players should get as much out of them as possible.
I'll stop talking to you now... It's useless...

You come up with the same CL dribble all the time.... Yes CL football is important... but not as in important as you make it out to be.... you obviously feel that any player that is at least a bit good should only sign for a top 4 team, adn that my friend is an opinion that is so obviously blinkered I won't try to get you out of that bulletproof bubble...

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'At least a bit good'?

I'm talking about very good-world class players like Adebayor, Terry, Ibrahimovic, Eto'o and many other players you've been linked with.

These players should be looking to fulfil their careers to maximum potential, missing out on CL football for at least one year, probably two or three, won't allow them to do that.

It's really not difficult to understand, and if any of these players do join City, they're not making the most of their career. I thought that was common knowledge, no need to get funny because you disagree.
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I take it you stopped reading after six words.
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Jul 17 2009, 11:00 AM
I take it you stopped reading after six words.
No I didn't.... I never said HOW seriously I'll take you.... I'll take everything you say with a pinch ofsalt from now on though... Like I do with LFC.... You both say sensible things, but like with LFC you're bias shows through a bit more in your opinions, so sometimes I can't take it seriously... I'll never say your opinion is worthless, not at all, just that I now know when I want to respond to you, and when I want to ignore you....
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I always put bias to one side, it seems it's you that can't accept the simple fact that joining City at this moment in time is not a career move, unless you're Santa Cruz or Barry.
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Jul 17 2009, 11:21 AM
I always put bias to one side, it seems it's you that can't accept the simple fact that joining City at this moment in time is not a career move, unless you're Santa Cruz or Barry.
I really do not think your argument holds any water.... If CL was as important for ALL players as you seem to think players wouldn't even join smaller clubs... also Careers are short? how... If you are really good you usually break through aged 20/21 (it CAN be younger) their careers, let's say that at 30 they are spent (which often isn't the case) you have a career of 10 years.... City will be thereabouts in two or three years.... so yes joining city is a career wasted :blink:

The argument goes for Terry, but like I said... He can stay at chelsea as far as I am concerned... It doesn't go for mant other younger top players....
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Careers are very short, top players are only top players for on average 8 years let's say? You should aim to play CL football in all of them and make the most of your career, you only get one shot, do not miss the change to blow, this opportunity comes once in a lifetime yo...

You mention players joining smaller clubs...give me examples of top players that play for CL clubs like United, Madrid, Barca, Liverpool, Chelsea, Arsenal, Inter, Juve, Milan etc, moving to a club that doesn't play CL football. I certainly can't think of any examples.
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