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Topic Started: Jul 17 2009, 09:41 AM (689 Views)
dutchmcfc
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jeffers
Jul 17 2009, 12:43 PM
dutch your argument that CL football isnt everything is a bit off considering thats what citys target is this season to get into the CL.

i kinda agree with russias point about players at a CL club moving away to a team without CL, unless they r from the french/portugease/dutch league it is a step down.

at the moment terry is almost guaranteed CL football until he retires at Chelsea and will probs make the quarters atleast every year. with city he may have it next season, the may have it the season after

your only going to get arsenal players doing that as everyone else offer good wages or players that think they r worth more than they actually are (adebayor)

beckham wasnt offered a contract by madrid so he went else where, at thetime he hadent really played for madrid for half a season either so moving to a Cl team probably wasnt even an option
Well I think you got a bit carried away by the hype... The stated goal for city this season is top 6 not top 4, which I think is more realistic anyway, it's the media and people who are asking themselves whether we could break the top 4...


I have a problem with saying that you cannot fulfill your potential if you don't play CL... yes it's prestigious and yes it's a great stage...

The fact that CL football in England/spain/Italy would be more important then in the small leagues seems to be true though.... a couple of Twente's players (they have CL qualifiers this season... vs sporting Lissabon) went no non CL clubs abroad...

But that point also underlines that for quite a few players the CL is apparently not as important as IRIR makes it out to be
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Err no, because Twente won't reach the latter stages, Chelsea make the semis year in year out.
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Jul 17 2009, 12:51 PM
Err no, because Twente won't reach the latter stages, Chelsea make the semis year in year out.
Well that goes against your argument that any season without CL is a wasted year though.... :) whether Twente will go out in the early stages or not it's still CL football :)

and stop bringing up Terry at chelsea... I already agreed with you on him ages ago, so bringing him up as an argument is getting rather annoying.... <_<
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No need to be pedantic, I have already said I was specifically talking about top European clubs if you would bother to read my list.

Twente first have to get through qualifying only to fail to reach the knock-out stages, teams like Chelsea, Arsenal and other top clubs are likely to go deep into the competition.
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Jul 17 2009, 12:57 PM
No need to be pedantic, I have already said I was specifically talking about top European clubs if you would bother to read my list.

Twente first have to get through qualifying only to fail to reach the knock-out stages, teams like Chelsea, Arsenal and other top clubs are likely to go deep into the competition.
So? you are saying that CL is THE thing for a players career... I do not doubt it's important, but not as important as you make it out to be.... The fact that you first say that CL is a must or it's a waste of their career, and than do a U turn when i bring up smaller clubs in the CL is not really strenghtening your position......
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he means if u r a top player you should be aiming to win the CL, FC Twente r not going to get out of the group stages IMO

your best chance of winning would be with man utd, chelsea, liverpool, barca, real, AC milan

then u have bayern,juve, inter, lyon, roma and the other 2 spanish teams
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Jul 17 2009, 01:10 PM
he means if u r a top player you should be aiming to win the CL, FC Twente r not going to get out of the group stages IMO

your best chance of winning would be with man utd, chelsea, liverpool, barca, real, AC milan

then u have bayern,juve, inter, lyon, roma and the other 2 spanish teams
All true he meant that, but he started off saying that any year witout CL is a wasted year.... Obviously he doesn't think so, cause otherwise Twente would be just as much CL footy as any other team in the CL... As for them not going to get to the group stages... I think they might surprise you.... they've lost players yeah, but so far the new players they brought in are pretty much the same quality... and that's pretty good tbh.... Of course the chance that we would get past the gropup stages is very very slim indeed....
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Changing my tune since 2008.
City are getting many players partly because of ambitions but largely because of wages. I think there's a balance between the two, because City will be a top club very soon if they keep buying players at the current rate so its not that long without success of some sort. I heard it was at least top 6, possibly top 4 that was his target, with a domestic trophy as well. Its not like they don't have the ambitions of winning stuff, although I do believe that it will take more than one season to deliver success for the players, so they will be missing out for one season.

On a human level, as I've said many times before, if you were offered twice the money to do the same job, would you take it? Most people would. Terry leaving Chelski is a different case as he's an idol in the eyes of most Chelski fans which takes things into a different situation to most imo, but in general most people have gone to Chelsea to earn more money and who can blame them? Some players value CL football over money, others don't; it depends on the player. They'll get CL football at City anyway... eventually.

All this is not to say I support what City are doing because I think the amount of money they are spending is absolutely ridiculous and indeed quite disrespectful in the current financial climate. I also think its setting a dangerous precedent for other clubs to follow. But I can also understand why players are going there, and maybe as a result of City's ridiculous expenditure, something might be done to save the game in the future.
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Jul 17 2009, 11:47 AM
Careers are very short, top players are only top players for on average 8 years let's say? You should aim to play CL football in all of them and make the most of your career, you only get one shot, do not miss the change to blow, this opportunity comes once in a lifetime yo...

You mention players joining smaller clubs...give me examples of top players that play for CL clubs like United, Madrid, Barca, Liverpool, Chelsea, Arsenal, Inter, Juve, Milan etc, moving to a club that doesn't play CL football. I certainly can't think of any examples.
Look Dutch, I've listed all the big teams and main powerhouses in European football.

I did say that a player giving up CL football for a team without CL, when they are in their prime and guarenteed games, is a silly move, so that would include Twente, Aauburg etc., but you know I mean the big boys as it's the CL knock-outs that are prestigious and valuable to a player's stature.

This isn't a dig but I'm not sure you appreciate how important the CL is because you don't support a club that plays CL football.
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Jul 17 2009, 03:51 PM
It'sREDinRussia
Jul 17 2009, 11:47 AM
Careers are very short, top players are only top players for on average 8 years let's say? You should aim to play CL football in all of them and make the most of your career, you only get one shot, do not miss the change to blow, this opportunity comes once in a lifetime yo...

You mention players joining smaller clubs...give me examples of top players that play for CL clubs like United, Madrid, Barca, Liverpool, Chelsea, Arsenal, Inter, Juve, Milan etc, moving to a club that doesn't play CL football. I certainly can't think of any examples.
Look Dutch, I've listed all the big teams and main powerhouses in European football.

I did say that a player giving up CL football for a team without CL, when they are in their prime and guarenteed games, is a silly move, so that would include Twente, Aauburg etc., but you know I mean the big boys as it's the CL knock-outs that are prestigious and valuable to a player's stature.

This isn't a dig but I'm not sure you appreciate how important the CL is because you don't support a club that plays CL football.
:rofl: :rofl: :rofl: It may not be a dig but it's damn funny... I do support teams in the CL, just not English ones.... :)

CL footie may be hugely important, But saying someone is wasting their career if they don't play CL is completely OTT imo
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Going round in circles more than Goonie does so let's stop.
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Jul 17 2009, 04:57 PM
Going round in circles more than Goonie does so let's stop.
Well yeah... but then again you haven't yet convinced me that not playing CL is wasting a players career....

OK agree to disagree?
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Yeh.
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aaaw, was enjoying this :ph43r:
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Jul 17 2009, 06:09 PM
aaaw, was enjoying this :ph43r:
Lets get it going again
IRIR was proved wrong wasnt he :cheeky:
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