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| Papa_Lazarou | Jan 26 2010, 11:33 PM Post #151 |
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I genuinely think he bought him to "replace" Alonso - certainly he bought him to play CM. However, from what I've seen, and judging by the evidence of his few games so far, from what Rafa sees - AA can't play CM in the Premiership right now. |
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| The Sicilian | Jan 26 2010, 11:35 PM Post #152 |
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AA has never played CM has he? |
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| Papa_Lazarou | Jan 26 2010, 11:35 PM Post #153 |
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His first couple of appearances were. Since then he's played AM and performed far better. |
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| The Sicilian | Jan 26 2010, 11:35 PM Post #154 |
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And El, about time you changed your name its almost February ffs! |
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| The Sicilian | Jan 26 2010, 11:36 PM Post #155 |
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I mean over the course of his career. |
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| Inglorious BarcaTed | Jan 26 2010, 11:37 PM Post #156 |
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Get to end of season and dump this fat waste of space as soon as (ideally from a very very very tall building) |
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| Papa_Lazarou | Jan 26 2010, 11:38 PM Post #157 |
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No idea to be honest - i didn't see anything of him in Italy but I thought most people were saying he is a CM. My opinions on him are solely judged on what I have seen at Liverpool in the First team and his short spell in the reserves. |
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| TheReturnOfTheKing | Jan 26 2010, 11:38 PM Post #158 |
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in what system tho papa? the arsenal cm are just as attacking if not more? look at milner at villa the unite cm and so on i think you are being unfair on aa, he does need to cut out the flicks but he can play cm, alonso was a dm so there is a difference there mate. i just think rafa wants very defensive minded players. this is a common thing, we always struggle against lesser teams look at how many late goals we needed last season against lesser teams? we got very lucky with about 5 of our wins imo dropped points against boro, stoke, hull, and a couple of other lesser teams this season the same thing, in fact it is worse. he just doesnt learn, if rafa learned his lesson then i will say fair enough, at least he is trying but when you go to WOLVES and dont play in an attacking style then you know what, you can just fork off to another club he just isnt learning, nobody can deny that point. i honestly would like to hear what other fans think of rafa in detail (2-3 paragraphs) barce/el/mos |
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| TheReturnOfTheKing | Jan 26 2010, 11:39 PM Post #159 |
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he was the first choice cm when fit for roma...he is a fine cm. just too attacking for rafa imo he made it in roma at cm in the italian league, he is good enough. hell totti and de rossi were singing his praises when he left, i bet they are shocked at how rafa has treated him the man has talent, its there for all to see. |
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| Papa_Lazarou | Jan 26 2010, 11:47 PM Post #160 |
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You can hardly compare our players to Arsenal's ![]() They are all technically gifted and have all their best attributes based in attacking play. We are just the opposite. Milner is extremely good defensively - I would say he is their equivilant of Kuyt only with better control ![]() United's midfield is shockingly poor really and I don't think comparing ours to theirs is going to acheive much - ours doesn't work as it should and neither does theirs. Alonso wasn't a DM by a long way - he was out and out a deeplying playmaker. He didn't go running about in front of the back line breaking up play - the guy took 15 minutes to cross the width of the pitch he was so slow! He was simply the link-man between defense and attack and that is what we are now sorely missing. From what I have seen of AA he just isn't suited to CM in England right now - he isn't quick enough on the ball and gets tackled as easily as Lucas. He's not physically strong enough to hold off the challenges. He panics when he gets closed down and therefore tries to play fancy one-touch passes all the time that very rarely come off. Alonso could get away with all his physical restraints because he was so damn clever and calm on the ball and AA just doesn't have this yet. It may be that he develops it over time and with confidence but we don't have the time to give him right now. |
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| flak | Jan 26 2010, 11:48 PM Post #161 |
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He does give in in the end but it usually takes ages. Moving to 4-5-1 and stopping rotating every match are examples I can think of. I don't see why you need two defensive based players when you have Mascherano in the team who hardly ventures forwards and Gerrard in the team who isn't a proper striker and will drop into midfield to help out a bit. |
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| TheReturnOfTheKing | Jan 26 2010, 11:53 PM Post #162 |
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song and denilson, they go forward more than aa is my point aa can play the forward balls or gerrard can to link up attack the problem is rafa does NOT want that to happen, hence me saying he hasnt learned his lesson. rafa hates having an open and attacking game. the game against wolves is exactly what he wanted imo its a damn shame because his tactics are taking the players level lower carragher-----skirtel-----kyr----insua -------lucas----------masch-------- not in a million years will we play flowing football which all top teams must with those players to start off attacks. rafa knows this, he went out to get a draw against wolves. look at his post match, he is a very happy man. at flak we still play 4-5-1, reason he doesnt rotate is we dont have options at full back he will never rotate gerrard because hs is the only creative player and expects miracles from him he hates babel, so we got no options on the wing he loves kuyt and lucas he has learned nothing, i can promise you that |
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| Papa_Lazarou | Jan 26 2010, 11:58 PM Post #163 |
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Not sure if I'm not wording it right or not but I am actually agreeing with your point against weaker sides like Wolves. I still wouldn't put AA in CM though. Gerrard CM and Aquilani in AM every time for me. You could even have put Degen at RB and Carra in the centre with Kryten to give even more attacking options. Still would have started with Kuyt but would have taken him off for N'Gog after 55-60 mins if it wasn't working. No manager really loves free-flowing attacking games as generally they are that way for both sides and therefore you are not defending properly and prone to conceding. It's all about striking a balance. Arsenal are a bit too attacking and leave themselves too open. We are way too defensive and struggle to get enough goals to kill a game off - hence we are often struggling at the end trying to hold on while the opposition can go for broke. Then we concede a late goal and all of a sudden a hard faught win turns into a desperate draw. |
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| TheReturnOfTheKing | Jan 27 2010, 12:01 AM Post #164 |
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papa agrees with lfc, damn you actually did. i am so used to being against the world. i aint sure what to type now, this has never happened before ok i will think you dont agree to respond to your 2nd point i think we have a balance with gerrard or aa in cm, my point is he doesnt want that balance because of his cautious nature papa my man |
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| Papa_Lazarou | Jan 27 2010, 12:07 AM Post #165 |
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Yea, I'll agree with that to a point. I'd like nothing more than to see us really go for it against sides like Wolves. There was no way in hell that they were ever going to set out to attack us from the off. We all know Rafa is a man of fine details. He will always set a side up first and foremost not to concede. Keep a clean sheet and you're halfway to 3 points. However, when we have so little creativity and flair what is the point of settling for a clean sheet - you are, in essence, settling for a 0-0 draw. Defies logic to me. Get that side out there to batter lesser sides - by all means sure things up at 2 or 3 goals ahead but don't make it so that we have to scramble for a late goal to sneak a victory. For one thing it's bloomin' embarrassing to watch. I like the fact that Rafa is so strong minded. I hate nothing more than a manager that will change things on a whim or at the behest (sp?) of the media. However, I think that Rafa is taking things a step too far now and needs to start working on 2 sets of tactics, 1 for playing against good sides and 1 for playing average sides. |
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