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Everton v Manchester United; Premier League. Sat 20 Feb, 12:45pm.
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Feb 20 2010, 05:26 PM
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Berbatov didn't play great but he was uniteds best player. The only reason mumanc is blaming berbatov is coz Nani wasn't playing and owen didn't get a long enough run out, so that leaves Berbatov as the scapegoat. Notice how few united fans here have mentioned Rooneys pathetic display.
again your wrong,i have actualy been praising nani,over the last few games(not his last one :( )
and if you read all my posts,you will see i dont think berba fits in at utd and never will.LFC was spot on and its not often you will hear that ;)
Wasn't saying you weren't, you just seem to like scapegoats and nani is definitely one of united fans' favourite scapegoats
with justification most of the time as was carrick,but "and i have held my hands up on here" and said they have both improved,but IMO no matter how technically gifted berba is,he wont fit into utd.
IMO fergie will cut his losses in the summer and get rid its a team game and he doesnt fit into this team.
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Berbatov didn't play great but he was uniteds best player. The only reason mumanc is blaming berbatov is coz Nani wasn't playing and owen didn't get a long enough run out, so that leaves Berbatov as the scapegoat. Notice how few united fans here have mentioned Rooneys pathetic display.
again your wrong,i have actualy been praising nani,over the last few games(not his last one :( )
and if you read all my posts,you will see i dont think berba fits in at utd and never will.LFC was spot on and its not often you will hear that ;)
Wasn't saying you weren't, you just seem to like scapegoats and nani is definitely one of united fans' favourite scapegoats
Think thats wrong mate, credit where its due and over his United career he has not done a great deal. Sometimes he has looked like a world beater, other times he looks like a liability. You dont seem to like Obertan where he has done little wrong in the few cameo roles he has had. Not done huge things, but neither has Nani or Berbatov IMO. Same with Valencia, you dont seem to like him going from what I have read and besides being very one footed IMO he does little wrong, works very hard although he is not as direct as I would like he was very good today in the first half but I think you only mentioned him in the second half by saying something like 'where has Valencia been in the second half then?'
The main reason I don't like them is because I think some United fans rate them far too highly when they really don't deserve any of it. Obertan has done one good thing that I cam remember and that was his assist for owen against Wolfsburg. Valencia really has not impressed me one bit. He has been useful for us with his goals but that is it IMO. His delivery and decision making really are awful.

And you can't really deny that nani and berbatov are scapegoats. They only get credit if they have an incredible game. If they have a good game nothing positive is said about it. When Rooney hits 5 in 5 everyone is quick to jump on how great he is. Havnt heard berbatov get any credit for doing it. Instead he gets blamed for united playing poorly even when he's scored and had a better impact on the game than anyone else wearing a red shirt.
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Feb 20 2010, 05:23 PM
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Berbatov didn't play great but he was uniteds best player. The only reason mumanc is blaming berbatov is coz Nani wasn't playing and owen didn't get a long enough run out, so that leaves Berbatov as the scapegoat. Notice how few united fans here have mentioned Rooneys pathetic display.
again your wrong,i have actualy been praising nani,over the last few games(not his last one :( )
and if you read all my posts,you will see i dont think berba fits in at utd and never will.LFC was spot on and its not often you will hear that ;)
Wasn't saying you weren't, you just seem to like scapegoats and nani is definitely one of united fans' favourite scapegoats
Think thats wrong mate, credit where its due and over his United career he has not done a great deal. Sometimes he has looked like a world beater, other times he looks like a liability. You dont seem to like Obertan where he has done little wrong in the few cameo roles he has had. Not done huge things, but neither has Nani or Berbatov IMO. Same with Valencia, you dont seem to like him going from what I have read and besides being very one footed IMO he does little wrong, works very hard although he is not as direct as I would like he was very good today in the first half but I think you only mentioned him in the second half by saying something like 'where has Valencia been in the second half then?'
The main reason I don't like them is because I think some United fans rate them far too highly when they really don't deserve any of it. Obertan has done one good thing that I cam remember and that was his assist for owen against Wolfsburg. Valencia really has not impressed me one bit. He has been useful for us with his goals but that is it IMO. His delivery and decision making really are awful.

And you can't really deny that nani and berbatov are scapegoats. They only get credit if they have an incredible game. If they have a good game nothing positive is said about it. When Rooney hits 5 in 5 everyone is quick to jump on how great he is. Havnt heard berbatov get any credit for doing it. Instead he gets blamed for united playing poorly even when he's scored and had a better impact on the game than anyone else wearing a red shirt.
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The main reason I don't like them is because I think some United fans rate them far too highly when they really don't deserve any of it. Obertan has done one good thing that I cam remember and that was his assist for owen against Wolfsburg. Valencia really has not impressed me one bit. He has been useful for us with his goals but that is it IMO. His delivery and decision making really are awful.


Obertan hasnt had much chance, I like what I have seen of him (reserves included). He is fast, quite strong considering he is a right alien gangly mother forker. Holds the ball up quite well. Some people get excited about players, especially when they are wound up to be the next 'insert player here' like Obertan has.

Valencia - He is stepping into the biggest boots on the planet, in the shadow of Ronaldo. It wasnt so long ago people were berating Nani for his shite decision making which was awful. Surely you can admit that? Nani seems to have stepped up a bit yeah, Valencia has only been at United since the summer and im sure he will improve much in the same way Nani has.

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And you can't really deny that nani and berbatov are scapegoats. They only get credit if they have an incredible game. If they have a good game nothing positive is said about it. When Rooney hits 5 in 5 everyone is quick to jump on how great he is. Havnt heard berbatov get any credit for doing it. Instead he gets blamed for united playing poorly even when he's scored and had a better impact on the game than anyone else wearing a red shirt.


Today berbatov was our best player, best of a bad bunch IMO. Carrick is used as a scapegoat time and time again by Monty from what I have seen. We do need improvement, but thats on Carrick, Berbatov and a few other players. Berbatov 5 in 5 starts, and fair play to him. He is a genius but for me was the wrong player to sign and not 'hungry' enough if thats the right word. He has improved his drive this season but I dont think he is a United player. And I dont think he was blamed for today in honesty, I think that was more of an overall view rather than today.
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Feb 20 2010, 05:26 PM
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Feb 20 2010, 05:23 PM
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Feb 20 2010, 05:17 PM
Berbatov didn't play great but he was uniteds best player. The only reason mumanc is blaming berbatov is coz Nani wasn't playing and owen didn't get a long enough run out, so that leaves Berbatov as the scapegoat. Notice how few united fans here have mentioned Rooneys pathetic display.
again your wrong,i have actualy been praising nani,over the last few games(not his last one :( )
and if you read all my posts,you will see i dont think berba fits in at utd and never will.LFC was spot on and its not often you will hear that ;)
Wasn't saying you weren't, you just seem to like scapegoats and nani is definitely one of united fans' favourite scapegoats
Think thats wrong mate, credit where its due and over his United career he has not done a great deal. Sometimes he has looked like a world beater, other times he looks like a liability. You dont seem to like Obertan where he has done little wrong in the few cameo roles he has had. Not done huge things, but neither has Nani or Berbatov IMO. Same with Valencia, you dont seem to like him going from what I have read and besides being very one footed IMO he does little wrong, works very hard although he is not as direct as I would like he was very good today in the first half but I think you only mentioned him in the second half by saying something like 'where has Valencia been in the second half then?'
The main reason I don't like them is because I think some United fans rate them far too highly when they really don't deserve any of it. Obertan has done one good thing that I cam remember and that was his assist for owen against Wolfsburg. Valencia really has not impressed me one bit. He has been useful for us with his goals but that is it IMO. His delivery and decision making really are awful.

And you can't really deny that nani and berbatov are scapegoats. They only get credit if they have an incredible game. If they have a good game nothing positive is said about it. When Rooney hits 5 in 5 everyone is quick to jump on how great he is. Havnt heard berbatov get any credit for doing it. Instead he gets blamed for united playing poorly even when he's scored and had a better impact on the game than anyone else wearing a red shirt.
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The main reason I don't like them is because I think some United fans rate them far too highly when they really don't deserve any of it. Obertan has done one good thing that I cam remember and that was his assist for owen against Wolfsburg. Valencia really has not impressed me one bit. He has been useful for us with his goals but that is it IMO. His delivery and decision making really are awful.


Obertan hasnt had much chance, I like what I have seen of him (reserves included). He is fast, quite strong considering he is a right alien gangly mother forker. Holds the ball up quite well. Some people get excited about players, especially when they are wound up to be the next 'insert player here' like Obertan has.

Valencia - He is stepping into the biggest boots on the planet, in the shadow of Ronaldo. It wasnt so long ago people were berating Nani for his shite decision making which was awful. Surely you can admit that? Nani seems to have stepped up a bit yeah, Valencia has only been at United since the summer and im sure he will improve much in the same way Nani has.

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And you can't really deny that nani and berbatov are scapegoats. They only get credit if they have an incredible game. If they have a good game nothing positive is said about it. When Rooney hits 5 in 5 everyone is quick to jump on how great he is. Havnt heard berbatov get any credit for doing it. Instead he gets blamed for united playing poorly even when he's scored and had a better impact on the game than anyone else wearing a red shirt.


Today berbatov was our best player, best of a bad bunch IMO. Carrick is used as a scapegoat time and time again by Monty from what I have seen. We do need improvement, but thats on Carrick, Berbatov and a few other players. Berbatov 5 in 5 starts, and fair play to him. He is a genius but for me was the wrong player to sign and not 'hungry' enough if thats the right word. He has improved his drive this season but I dont think he is a United player. And I dont think he was blamed for today in honesty, I think that was more of an overall view rather than today.
Nah I really don't see it in Obertan. Not saying he doesn't have potential but he hasn't impressed me at all. His control and dribbling is very poor. I personally rate carrick but he really does not perform far too regularly. Yes people were berating nani for his decision making but his delivery was always very good. His decision making was poor and still is at times but it's better than valencias. The thing with valencia is, IMO, that he is a player of limited capabilities whereas people like Nani and Obertan do have talent in abundance. I just can't say the same for Valencia.
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Berbatov didn't play great but he was uniteds best player. The only reason mumanc is blaming berbatov is coz Nani wasn't playing and owen didn't get a long enough run out, so that leaves Berbatov as the scapegoat. Notice how few united fans here have mentioned Rooneys pathetic display.
again your wrong,i have actualy been praising nani,over the last few games(not his last one :( )
and if you read all my posts,you will see i dont think berba fits in at utd and never will.LFC was spot on and its not often you will hear that ;)
Wasn't saying you weren't, you just seem to like scapegoats and nani is definitely one of united fans' favourite scapegoats
Think thats wrong mate, credit where its due and over his United career he has not done a great deal. Sometimes he has looked like a world beater, other times he looks like a liability. You dont seem to like Obertan where he has done little wrong in the few cameo roles he has had. Not done huge things, but neither has Nani or Berbatov IMO. Same with Valencia, you dont seem to like him going from what I have read and besides being very one footed IMO he does little wrong, works very hard although he is not as direct as I would like he was very good today in the first half but I think you only mentioned him in the second half by saying something like 'where has Valencia been in the second half then?'
The main reason I don't like them is because I think some United fans rate them far too highly when they really don't deserve any of it. Obertan has done one good thing that I cam remember and that was his assist for owen against Wolfsburg. Valencia really has not impressed me one bit. He has been useful for us with his goals but that is it IMO. His delivery and decision making really are awful.

And you can't really deny that nani and berbatov are scapegoats. They only get credit if they have an incredible game. If they have a good game nothing positive is said about it. When Rooney hits 5 in 5 everyone is quick to jump on how great he is. Havnt heard berbatov get any credit for doing it. Instead he gets blamed for united playing poorly even when he's scored and had a better impact on the game than anyone else wearing a red shirt.
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The main reason I don't like them is because I think some United fans rate them far too highly when they really don't deserve any of it. Obertan has done one good thing that I cam remember and that was his assist for owen against Wolfsburg. Valencia really has not impressed me one bit. He has been useful for us with his goals but that is it IMO. His delivery and decision making really are awful.


Obertan hasnt had much chance, I like what I have seen of him (reserves included). He is fast, quite strong considering he is a right alien gangly mother forker. Holds the ball up quite well. Some people get excited about players, especially when they are wound up to be the next 'insert player here' like Obertan has.

Valencia - He is stepping into the biggest boots on the planet, in the shadow of Ronaldo. It wasnt so long ago people were berating Nani for his shite decision making which was awful. Surely you can admit that? Nani seems to have stepped up a bit yeah, Valencia has only been at United since the summer and im sure he will improve much in the same way Nani has.

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And you can't really deny that nani and berbatov are scapegoats. They only get credit if they have an incredible game. If they have a good game nothing positive is said about it. When Rooney hits 5 in 5 everyone is quick to jump on how great he is. Havnt heard berbatov get any credit for doing it. Instead he gets blamed for united playing poorly even when he's scored and had a better impact on the game than anyone else wearing a red shirt.


Today berbatov was our best player, best of a bad bunch IMO. Carrick is used as a scapegoat time and time again by Monty from what I have seen. We do need improvement, but thats on Carrick, Berbatov and a few other players. Berbatov 5 in 5 starts, and fair play to him. He is a genius but for me was the wrong player to sign and not 'hungry' enough if thats the right word. He has improved his drive this season but I dont think he is a United player. And I dont think he was blamed for today in honesty, I think that was more of an overall view rather than today.
Nah I really don't see it in Obertan. Not saying he doesn't have potential but he hasn't impressed me at all. His control and dribbling is very poor. I personally rate carrick but he really does not perform far too regularly. Yes people were berating nani for his decision making but his delivery was always very good. His decision making was poor and still is at times but it's better than valencias. The thing with valencia is, IMO, that he is a player of limited capabilities whereas people like Nani and Obertan do have talent in abundance. I just can't say the same for Valencia.
Thats where we will have to agree to disagree then, because IMO Nani in his first season made terrible decisions on 99/100 chances. His delivery was always quite good, but at United Valencia will only improve. He has speed and strength, and if he works on his delivery he will be a very valuable player for us. I agree Carrick doesnt do it regularly or consistently but neither does Nani IMO. Obertan in the reserves is quite often IMO our best player, and on his control etc I think its difficult for a young player to come in for 5mins here and there at a club like United. I think he would flourish as a regular in a team with less expectations for a year or so untill he gets used to the EPL and United.
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Yeah I noticed that as well, it doesn't do Rooney any justice. They don't have to highlight when he's rubbish and make excuses for him, we all know he's human.
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Rooney was garbage today but the commentators were still finding any excuse to slip a tongue up his cavity.
Commentators do the same with Gerrard, Terry, Fabregas. Every major player in each team. Even more so when they are English as its the EPL.

Rooney was poor today, but not the only one. And like Buttons said he is human.
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Today berbatov was our best player, best of a bad bunch IMO. Carrick is used as a scapegoat time and time again by Monty from what I have seen. We do need improvement, but thats on Carrick, Berbatov and a few other players. Berbatov 5 in 5 starts, and fair play to him. He is a genius but for me was the wrong player to sign and not 'hungry' enough if thats the right word. He has improved his drive this season but I dont think he is a United player. And I dont think he was blamed for today in honesty, I think that was more of an overall view rather than today.
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Nah I really don't see it in Obertan. Not saying he doesn't have potential but he hasn't impressed me at all. His control and dribbling is very poor. I personally rate carrick but he really does not perform far too regularly. Yes people were berating nani for his decision making but his delivery was always very good. His decision making was poor and still is at times but it's better than valencias. The thing with valencia is, IMO, that he is a player of limited capabilities whereas people like Nani and Obertan do have talent in abundance. I just can't say the same for Valencia.
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Thats where we will have to agree to disagree then, because IMO Nani in his first season made terrible decisions on 99/100 chances. His delivery was always quite good, but at United Valencia will only improve. He has speed and strength, and if he works on his delivery he will be a very valuable player for us. I agree Carrick doesnt do it regularly or consistently but neither does Nani IMO. Obertan in the reserves is quite often IMO our best player, and on his control etc I think its difficult for a young player to come in for 5mins here and there at a club like United. I think he would flourish as a regular in a team with less expectations for a year or so untill he gets used to the EPL and United.
Nah that's rubbish mate. His decision making was never that bad. 70-30 at its worst imo. But Nani is not and never really has been first choice consistently, so his inconsistence is understandable. Carrick starts the majority of our matches and its baffling that he cant keep form for a sustained period of time. Tbh I dont really think Obertan is that great in the reserves. He is obviously better than in the first team but I think there are better players in the reserves.
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Nah that's rubbish mate. His decision making was never that bad. 70-30 at its worst imo. But Nani is not and never really has been first choice consistently, so his inconsistence is understandable. Carrick starts the majority of our matches and its baffling that he cant keep form for a sustained period of time. Tbh I dont really think Obertan is that great in the reserves. He is obviously better than in the first team but I think there are better players in the reserves.


Might of been an exagerration, lol, but the point stands that his decision making was very poor. Well IMO at least.

He hasnt been first choice consistently I agree, so thats an exscuse but even when he does get some sort of chance untill this season he rarely impressed much. At times he was majestic, other times anonymous and very frustrating.

I agree about Carrick, its frustrates the fork out of me that he cannot say consistently good. There are better players in the reserves I agree, but he is in between the first team and reserves and only just moved from Bordeaux! He is still young and thats a big transition for someone his age. Some handle it better than others, but if he was given a consistent chance I think we would see a huge improvement personally. I have just checked he was born 26/02/89. Plenty of time.
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Nah that's rubbish mate. His decision making was never that bad. 70-30 at its worst imo. But Nani is not and never really has been first choice consistently, so his inconsistence is understandable. Carrick starts the majority of our matches and its baffling that he cant keep form for a sustained period of time. Tbh I dont really think Obertan is that great in the reserves. He is obviously better than in the first team but I think there are better players in the reserves.


Might of been an exagerration, lol, but the point stands that his decision making was very poor. Well IMO at least.

He hasnt been first choice consistently I agree, so thats an exscuse but even when he does get some sort of chance untill this season he rarely impressed much. At times he was majestic, other times anonymous and very frustrating.

I agree about Carrick, its frustrates the fork out of me that he cannot say consistently good. There are better players in the reserves I agree, but he is in between the first team and reserves and only just moved from Bordeaux! He is still young and thats a big transition for someone his age. Some handle it better than others, but if he was given a consistent chance I think we would see a huge improvement personally. I have just checked he was born 26/02/89. Plenty of time.
Yes he was frustrating but I am nearly certain that this season was the first time he started four games in a row and played the full 90minutes twice in a row so it was very hard for him to impress as he must have felt that he had to do something special every time he played.

I think I may have come across wrong in this thread, I think Obertan has plenty of potential but right now he shouldnt be anywhere near the first team imo. He just isnt ready for it yet.
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Strange match...United were all over Everton until Berbatov scored, I don't know if it was because Bilytadenyov scored straight after and it knocked their confidence or what but they just went to sleep and couldn't cope with Everton.

They were even worse when Fergie changed the formation. :thumbdown: Well deserved win for Everton. <_<

Evans was especially poor again.
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