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Aston Villa V Manchester United; Carling Cup Final: 28th Feb 3.00pm
Topic Started: Feb 26 2010, 10:44 AM (2,136 Views)
tebroc
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stacie
Feb 28 2010, 11:30 PM
and didn't collins get booked..?
sorry didnt see this, yeah he got a booking, vidic got nadda.

vidics decision wasnt the only hen up. downing getting booked and carrick not for the same tackles, rafael not getting booked after consistent fouls were just a few of many blunders in the match.

even my gramps (who is a blues fan) said that the referee was poor and harsh on us, and that just says it all really :lol:
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LFC19TITLES
Feb 28 2010, 11:43 PM
flak
Feb 28 2010, 11:41 PM
tebroc
Feb 28 2010, 11:37 PM
flak
Feb 28 2010, 11:31 PM
Think the referee didn't just want to ruin the game with not even 5 minutes on the clock tbh. If that tackle had been made near half time then I reckon he'd have been sent off.
so he had an opinion and didnt follow the rules of the game. still in the wrong.
Yep but surely you can see it from his point of view?
there are two views

following the rules

not following them

one is correct, the other is not and is cheating.
Yes because everything is so black and white in football. :cheeky:

So you are Phil Dowd, 4 minutes into a cup final at Wembley infront of however many thousand people, not to mention it being the first one he's reffed. He knows that there's a good chance United will be 1-0 down from the penalty, sending off somebody so early will likely ruin the game...it's all bound to play on his mind and affect the decision.

Tebroc broke somebodys foot. :o
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flak
Feb 28 2010, 11:52 PM
LFC19TITLES
Feb 28 2010, 11:43 PM
flak
Feb 28 2010, 11:41 PM
tebroc
Feb 28 2010, 11:37 PM
flak
Feb 28 2010, 11:31 PM
Think the referee didn't just want to ruin the game with not even 5 minutes on the clock tbh. If that tackle had been made near half time then I reckon he'd have been sent off.
so he had an opinion and didnt follow the rules of the game. still in the wrong.
Yep but surely you can see it from his point of view?
there are two views

following the rules

not following them

one is correct, the other is not and is cheating.
Yes because everything is so black and white in football. :cheeky:

So you are Phil Dowd, 4 minutes into a cup final at Wembley infront of however many thousand people, not to mention it being the first one he's reffed. He knows that there's a good chance United will be 1-0 down from the penalty, sending off somebody so early will likely ruin the game...it's all bound to play on his mind and affect the decision.

Tebroc broke somebodys foot. :o
he aint there to decide if it will ruin the game,he,s there to apply the rules.1st minute,90th minute that was a red card offence.
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goslow
Feb 28 2010, 11:56 PM
he aint there to decide if it will ruin the game,he,s there to apply the rules.1st minute,90th minute that was a red card offence.
It's meant to be a spectacle, a showpiece event that only happens once a year and a sending off so early would rui nthat. I don't think anybody really wanted to see a one sided game.
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sorry flak i think you're outnumbered here :lol:

he was wrong and it may have cost us the CC :thumbdown:
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Feb 28 2010, 11:59 PM
goslow
Feb 28 2010, 11:56 PM
he aint there to decide if it will ruin the game,he,s there to apply the rules.1st minute,90th minute that was a red card offence.
It's meant to be a spectacle, a showpiece event that only happens once a year and a sending off so early would rui nthat. I don't think anybody really wanted to see a one sided game.
i wouldnt of minded if it was a villa sided game :lol:
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flak
Feb 28 2010, 11:59 PM
goslow
Feb 28 2010, 11:56 PM
he aint there to decide if it will ruin the game,he,s there to apply the rules.1st minute,90th minute that was a red card offence.
It's meant to be a spectacle, a showpiece event that only happens once a year and a sending off so early would rui nthat. I don't think anybody really wanted to see a one sided game.
What was the real difference between Vidic's challenge and Samba's in the semi final against Villa? The exact same challenge, near enough, in the exact same position on the exact same player. Samba got a red card and a penalty, ruining the match and meaning we had no chance of winning and Vidic gets nothing.

Something isn't right there because not only did it ruin the match, but Samba also was suspended for a few matches. I don't care that the cup final is a spectacle, rules should be applied evenly to everybody.
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flak
Feb 28 2010, 11:59 PM
goslow
Feb 28 2010, 11:56 PM
he aint there to decide if it will ruin the game,he,s there to apply the rules.1st minute,90th minute that was a red card offence.
It's meant to be a spectacle, a showpiece event that only happens once a year and a sending off so early would rui nthat. I don't think anybody really wanted to see a one sided game.
so to keep this game a spectacle, you help the other team out which is basically cheating?

sorry but that is unfair. villa were robbed today by that ref, just because you dont want to ruin a team doesnt mean you dont apply the rules
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it was daylight robbery
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oh god, yes it was robbery...in the daylight...villa were robbed. we know, it doesnt really need to be repeated several times. no one has said that vidic shouldnt have been sent off, he should have. this game is full of ifs and buts, but people were acting like villa was guarenteed a win, yeah its very likely, but they were not outstanding. there was a villa handball in the box at one point which no one has seemed to mention. there has obviously been no outcry. if the shoe was on the other foot i'm sure that no one bar united fans would be bothered. people need to realise that the game is unpredictable and players always avoid yellows and reds when they shouldnt.

and yes, i'd be singing a different song if this wasn't united :lol: but the repition and the avoidance of a handball is shocking.
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Feb 28 2010, 11:59 PM
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he aint there to decide if it will ruin the game,he,s there to apply the rules.1st minute,90th minute that was a red card offence.
It's meant to be a spectacle, a showpiece event that only happens once a year and a sending off so early would rui nthat. I don't think anybody really wanted to see a one sided game.
he,s a ref not a master of ceremonies.
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Feb 28 2010, 11:59 PM
goslow
Feb 28 2010, 11:56 PM
he aint there to decide if it will ruin the game,he,s there to apply the rules.1st minute,90th minute that was a red card offence.
It's meant to be a spectacle, a showpiece event that only happens once a year and a sending off so early would rui nthat. I don't think anybody really wanted to see a one sided game.
What was the real difference between Vidic's challenge and Samba's in the semi final against Villa? The exact same challenge, near enough, in the exact same position on the exact same player. Samba got a red card and a penalty, ruining the match and meaning we had no chance of winning and Vidic gets nothing.

Something isn't right there because not only did it ruin the match, but Samba also was suspended for a few matches. I don't care that the cup final is a spectacle, rules should be applied evenly to everybody.
Didn't see it but was it in the first 5 minutes of the match?

I'm not saying he shouldn't have been sent off, just that I can see why he wasn't from the refs perspective.
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:rofl: Don't you just hate fans like this...

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I couldn't care less about the Carling Cup final. I haven't and will not watch it. I read though that Vidic should have been sent off in the first 5 minutes? Typical United that is. He wasn't even booked? Then the FA should act. Vidic should be serving a 3 match ban, and with Ferdinand out that would seriously dent United's title challenge. Wes Brown and Evan at centre back. Stuff of dreams that is. Why do all the big decisions in big games go United's way? 10 men and 1-0 down, Villa would have run riot. I can't wait until United are closed down because of their debt. Put them in the Conference North I say, teach them not to constantly abuse the beautiful game, made beautiful by the Liverpool sides of the 1970s and 1980s.
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:rofl: Don't you just hate fans like this...

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I couldn't care less about the Carling Cup final. I haven't and will not watch it. I read though that Vidic should have been sent off in the first 5 minutes? Typical United that is. He wasn't even booked? Then the FA should act. Vidic should be serving a 3 match ban, and with Ferdinand out that would seriously dent United's title challenge. Wes Brown and Evan at centre back. Stuff of dreams that is. Why do all the big decisions in big games go United's way? 10 men and 1-0 down, Villa would have run riot. I can't wait until United are closed down because of their debt. Put them in the Conference North I say, teach them not to constantly abuse the beautiful game, made beautiful by the Liverpool sides of the 1970s and 1980s.
Well if Vidic was rightfully sent off, he has a point I suppose
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The most annoying aspect of refereeing televised fixtures is when you are criticised despite making the correct decision in the laws of the game.

Opinions are vital for good debate but the facts need to be stated correctly.

Frustrated with Gray's analysis, I turned over to the BBC for the half-time words with Gary Lineker. Alan Shearer, Alan Hansen and Gareth Southgate all agreed that ref Phil Dowd was wrong not to dismiss Vidic.

Shearer, the master scorer, understandably applied his own logic to the position that Agbonlahor was in. Shearer himself would probably have scored from there.

But that is not the point in law, which states that the player must be heading towards goal when he is fouled. This point was finally offered by Southgate but that was quickly passed over.

Referees really don't mind when they are criticised after making a mistake – as long as law is correctly quoted.

In this case the analysts could have quoted all of the law, noting that there is no mention of any 'last man', and conclude that Vidic should have been sent off as it was only his presence that resulted in Agbonlahor heading away from goal – after all football is a game of opinions.

Fury: Martin O'Neill (left) was frustrated with Phil Dowd
But to quote law incorrectly for me is inexcusable. They should be informing and educating the public but to do so they need to know law themselves and along with current players, the experts analysing the game just don't feel it necessary to learn and understand the laws of the game they claim to love.

So, despite the 'controversy' in the first five minutes at Wembley, the final was an entertaining game which Dowd refereed well enough.

He was a little inconsistent with his yellow cards but that is no reason to highlight him in his first major final.


Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/football/article-1254544/GRAHAM-POLL-Time-experts-learn-law--Nemanja-Vidic-deserved-escape-red-card-Wembley.html?ITO=1490#ixzz0gwDvYpqx
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