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How would England do..; in the prem as a club?
Topic Started: Jun 3 2011, 02:38 PM (266 Views)
Kingkev
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How would they fair if they were a club team?
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fighting for 5th or 6th maybe

i dont think they would get top 4
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Top 4 easily. considering that the majority of players in the England side play for the top 4 sides from this season

Hart
Richards Rio Terry Cole
Wilshire Barry Lampard
Walcott Rooney Johnson
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This is impossible to answer. The English team play a style that's typical of the Premier League but the better Premier League teams are propped up by foreign players. The current English team is woefully short of creativity but they'd have the defense to handle most Premier League attacks comfortably enough. They would lack the ball retention that gets punished at International level and in Europe but I think they would get away with it in the Premier League.

In this hypothtical question would can we take it that these English players would not be with their clubs?
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Jun 3 2011, 02:42 PM
Top 4 easily. considering that the majority of players in the England side play for the top 4 sides from this season

Hart
Richards Rio Terry Cole
Wilshire Barry Lampard
Walcott Rooney Johnson
Richards isnt even in the england squad

Barry hmmm

Johnson aint good enough

walcott is terrible

struggle for to 4

where will the goals come from?
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Jun 3 2011, 02:49 PM
This is impossible to answer. The English team play a style that's typical of the Premier League but the better Premier League teams are propped up by foreign players. The current English team is woefully short of creativity but they'd have the defense to handle most Premier League attacks comfortably enough. They would lack the ball retention that gets punished at International level and in Europe but I think they would get away with it in the Premier League.

In this hypothtical question would can we take it that these English players would not be with their clubs?
Yeah, the English Squad players wouldn't be at their clubs.
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Jun 3 2011, 02:50 PM
player#1
Jun 3 2011, 02:49 PM
This is impossible to answer. The English team play a style that's typical of the Premier League but the better Premier League teams are propped up by foreign players. The current English team is woefully short of creativity but they'd have the defense to handle most Premier League attacks comfortably enough. They would lack the ball retention that gets punished at International level and in Europe but I think they would get away with it in the Premier League.

In this hypothtical question would can we take it that these English players would not be with their clubs?
Yeah, the English Squad players wouldn't be at their clubs.
Yeah I suppose, human cloning is a while off yet.

I would have to assume that if these players were taken from their teams that they would be replaced by equivalent players? Or is that team just left without their England player?

To be honest, if that's England's best XI, the one lined up by Jeffers, then I reckon it would struggle to score goals. Rooney playing as a number 9, with Walcott and Johnson either side isn't going to guarantee you anything. Walcott will remain a headless eunuch and Adam Johnson isn't near consistent enough to be an International player of any note. Wilshire is a stealy youngster with a lot of promise, he's neat and tidy and will help string play together but with the likes of Fabregas and Nasri. Lampard and Barry are lame ducks at the top level. Barry is as creative as a Crown Paints colour-card and will hide from the ball and he doesn't have the intelligence to cover up his lack of pace. Lampard is a luxury without a system that will allow him get forward without any concern for whats behind him. It's functional side but I don't think it would fare very well if there was a requirement for steady goals over the course of a season. 7th at best in my opinion.
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that was just selecting players from the top 4 sides. Bent and young would also be in the side

Obv in that formation Lampard will be pushed in behind Rooney and Barry doing the sitting role. Parker would be worth a shout ahead of Barry.

Rooney wouldnt be a standard number 9, he would drop in and allow wallcott to push on past.

If Fergie managed the team it would win the league :balotelli:
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Walcott is not terrible MCFC. He has been class this season, such a threat.
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I'd play a 4411/4231 like United with Walcott ahead of Rooney becuase Walcott has good movement and is a good finisher. On the counter he and Rooney would be deadly imo.
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Jun 3 2011, 03:35 PM
that was just selecting players from the top 4 sides. Bent and young would also be in the side

Obv in that formation Lampard will be pushed in behind Rooney and Barry doing the sitting role. Parker would be worth a shout ahead of Barry.

Rooney wouldnt be a standard number 9, he would drop in and allow wallcott to push on past.

If Fergie managed the team it would win the league :balotelli:
Who would take the ball from the back 4?? Or if they were to play more direct, who would be the target player for Lampard, playing in that advanced position to play off?

Also if Lampard plays in an advanced role and Rooney drops off will they not be occupying the same area of the pitch? If Rooney drops deeper will Walcott just be making diagonal runs from outside to in?

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Wilshiere have you not seen him play for arsenal?

and Lampard doesn't need a target man, he played off Anelka and did just fine. He is actually alot better on the ball than most make out.

Occupying the same area of the pitch like Xavi and Iniesta? you are making something out of nothing there. Wallcott would be more advanced but not necessarily a striker.

you are making it sound rigid, which is understandable under the current management, but the players would work well together and you have to also look at who they would be playing and the fact that when they play for England there is alot of accommodation to try and get player like Gerrard into the first team when in reality it would be either him or Lampard
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Jun 3 2011, 04:20 PM
Wilshiere have you not seen him play for arsenal?

and Lampard doesn't need a target man, he played off Anelka and did just fine. He is actually alot better on the ball than most make out.

Occupying the same area of the pitch like Xavi and Iniesta? you are making something out of nothing there. Wallcott would be more advanced but not necessarily a striker.

you are making it sound rigid, which is understandable under the current management, but the players would work well together and you have to also look at who they would be playing and the fact that when they play for England there is alot of accommodation to try and get player like Gerrard into the first team when in reality it would be either him or Lampard
I have seen Wilshire playing for Arsenal and while I agree he's a very promising player at this stage of his career he'll be a supplementary player rather than a player who'll have to be the most imposing midfielder on the pitch with the responsibility to instigate all the play.

No, the Xavi and Iniesta situation is different. They will play deeper, where there's more space and Iniesta will be likely to appear further up the pitch than Xavi. If Rooney drops deep he will look to influence play and then get in the box. Lampard will do likewise(perhaps without influencing play because I don't agree with your suggestion that he's necessarily good on the ball), as he's tried to do with Chelsea.

Maybe I'm wrong but how many games did Anelka play for Chelsea where he wasn't playing with Drogba? Also if Anelka was playing on his own did he drop deep or move away from what he usually does and lead the line a bit more? Anyway that's going off the point.

I know it will be rigid because the major flaw in the English game is the lack of tactical nous of the players. Expecting the likes of Walcott and Adam Johnson to work within a fluid system where they have the freedom to pick up intelligent positions is asking alot.

I don't really understand the point you're making about Lampard and Gerrard to be honest? You are saying that the English players will work well together and then you are saying that they don't because some players have to be accommodated?
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They would be atleast in the top 3.

Rio, Rooney, Terry (Lampard to a lesser extent, too) are key players in the two best teams in the league and if you take them out their teams will be hurt badly. Minimum would be 3rd place imo.
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the final point is about how for the short term cup tournament players are accommodated, generally because they are a bigger name, yet over a season I doubt they would be

Adam Johnson can play either wing and drifts inside a lot for city he would not be an out and out winger all the time and could easy swap flanks etc.. a player like young would be far better at this as mentioned before(obviously you read over that)

Im not sure of how much you wuld have watched united this season, but i nthe 2nd part Rooney and Giggs were happy swapping between their roles and Lampard could easily play the role Giggs did.

Lampard can easily keep the ball and he moves it very well, the drop in Chelsea's performance with him out of the side then how it recovered when he was back in the side shows this. He easily plays the short passes, as Xavi or Scholes would do, but admittedly the defence splitting pass is not quite on their level

a more appropriate line up, taking into account all teams not just the top 4 woudl be

Hart
Richards* Rio Terry Cole
Wilshere Parker
Young Lampard** Rooney
Bent

* England have a lot of good RB but none that stand out, currently Richards IMO would be the one that can attack and defend best, where as someone like Johnson can be a liability defensibly

** Lampard/Gerrard/Rooney could play this role

against teams lower in the league Carrick could replace Parker and the CM would be more similar to the Scholes/Carrick partnership we have seen work well at United
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