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Does Dalglish have a point?
Topic Started: Sep 13 2011, 04:28 PM (1,002 Views)
The Derry Pele
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Off topic but what a petition :lol:


http://clattenburg.epetitions.net/signatures.php?petition_id=206&page_next=2500
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Sep 13 2011, 05:16 PM
Stoke defended like Trojans
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Sep 13 2011, 05:18 PM
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Stoke defended like Trojans
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Yes, means they were on the receiving end but at the end of the day there was just no potency.


Seems appropriate! :lol:
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Sep 13 2011, 05:16 PM
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Sep 13 2011, 04:59 PM
He has a point that mistakes are made but he is sailing close to a charge by suggesting refs are making decisions due to a lack of respect for Liverpool. Biggest mistake of the game wasnt made by the ref anyway, Kenny needs to look closer to home
Victor's right Paddy, you can't draw the conclusion that lack of respect means getting more decisions in your favour.

I dont think thats excatly what kenny is getting at he will instantly recieve every decision, just to reference back to utd again i think his hope is that with fergie and back when jose was in charge of chelsea they had no bother coming out and blasting a ref for a poor decision, when i gets down to 50/50 decisons it will be a natural decision of the ref to lean in favour of utd or chelsea to avoid being heavly critised, its more human nature than anything.


Also on the stoke game the Carragher decision was 50/50, what annoyed me personally was it yet again highlighted the inconsistancy of refs in the league how many of them challanges are seen in the league on a weekly basis, how many times do players wrap their hands around players from corners and no penos are given. Also again Twattenburg only further proved the point by "missing" two (one blatent) peno shouts for liverpool.
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Sep 13 2011, 05:24 PM
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Sep 13 2011, 04:59 PM
He has a point that mistakes are made but he is sailing close to a charge by suggesting refs are making decisions due to a lack of respect for Liverpool. Biggest mistake of the game wasnt made by the ref anyway, Kenny needs to look closer to home
Victor's right Paddy, you can't draw the conclusion that lack of respect means getting more decisions in your favour.

I dont think thats excatly what kenny is getting at he will instantly recieve every decision, just to reference back to utd again i think his hope is that with fergie and back when jose was in charge of chelsea they had no bother coming out and blasting a ref for a poor decision, when i gets down to 50/50 decisons it will be a natural decision of the ref to lean in favour of utd or chelsea to avoid being heavly critised, its more human nature than anything.


Also on the stoke game the Carragher decision was 50/50, what annoyed me personally was it yet again highlighted the inconsistancy of refs in the league how many of them challanges are seen in the league on a weekly basis, how many times do players wrap their hands around players from corners and no penos are given. Also again Twattenburg only further proved the point by "missing" two (one blatent) peno shouts for liverpool.
Caragher's was a penalty but I agree those are not consistently given. Only one of the Liverpool shouts was a penalty the one on the goal line wasn't.

And it's crowds more than managers who influence decisions.

Should I assume you are not in Mark Clattenburg's fan club? :unsure:
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But again if Ferguson's comments had an influence and made more 50/50 decisions go for them then they would be doing better when it comes to the number of major decisions like penalties and reds right? You'd expect them to have more than average rather than less overall.

If United, Chelsea and anyone else with a reputation for crowding/commenting on the ref benefited then you would be able to see that in season totals.
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Sep 13 2011, 05:11 PM
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Sep 13 2011, 05:03 PM


United received more red cards than most prem teams (3, 9th most)
United had an opponent sent off twice (only 2 teams, spurs and West Ham, had less opposition players sent off).
United conceded more penalties than they received. (6 to 5)

I dont think its stuff like this that makes people think there is a utd bias, i think its more along the lines of decisions not being given to other teams or players not being booked/frees not being given which of course the stats would not include
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United conceded more penalties than they received.
(3, 9th most)

that means the decision was given to the other team.

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United received more red cards than most prem teams (3, 9th most)

that means the decision was given to the other team.

i think the fact is dalglish wants to sl@g of the referees (and who wouldnt) if thats the case do it and grow a pair,dont use "fergie does it" so why cant we all do it as an excuse,fergie did it and was punished,if dalglish wants to do it then he knows what to expect.
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I dont think Kenny has too much of a point after 4 league games tbh. I'd doubt he'd say a single critical word had all these 'contentious' decisions gone the otherway. When i hear a manager criticise a ref for giving an incorrect decision for his side then i'll listen to them, i'm bored of managers being scared to admit their players didn't perform and take the easy route and blame the man in black.

Carragher had his arm round the Stoke player and it WAS a penalty. I've seen much less clearcut ones given. The Upson handball that goofy went mad about was such an obvious ball to hand it was a joke he even claimed it. The first hand ball was also a ball to hand but in fairness could have gone eitherway.
The only way to get consistancy is to have the same ref referee every game which is obviously impossible so human error will always be in the game, just as keepers drop clangers, players misplace passes and striker miss sitters! Simple
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I feel this is appropriate for some reason.... http://worldfootballcolumns.com/2011/09/13/the-scouser-report-why-are-liverpool-kenny-dalglish-cast-as-villains-by-the-media/
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Sep 13 2011, 07:07 PM
That is terrible.
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It's so blatantly biased :rofl:
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mumanc
Sep 13 2011, 06:53 PM
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Sep 13 2011, 05:11 PM
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Sep 13 2011, 05:03 PM


United received more red cards than most prem teams (3, 9th most)
United had an opponent sent off twice (only 2 teams, spurs and West Ham, had less opposition players sent off).
United conceded more penalties than they received. (6 to 5)

I dont think its stuff like this that makes people think there is a utd bias, i think its more along the lines of decisions not being given to other teams or players not being booked/frees not being given which of course the stats would not include
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United conceded more penalties than they received.
(3, 9th most)

that means the decision was given to the other team.

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United received more red cards than most prem teams (3, 9th most)

that means the decision was given to the other team.

i think the fact is dalglish wants to sl@g of the referees (and who wouldnt) if thats the case do it and grow a pair,dont use "fergie does it" so why cant we all do it as an excuse,fergie did it and was punished,if dalglish wants to do it then he knows what to expect.
i know :S

that was my point, United have had more penalties awarded against them than for and more United players were sent off than in most clubs. Indicating that its unlikely they get given 'the rub of the green'.
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After the Stoke game on Saturday Dalglish had this to say: "Our first four league games have all had a contentious decision in them and every one of them has gone against us.

basicly he's saying the refs are sh1t
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"We would like to be respectful towards referees. I think I have been respectful to referees, but more importantly than being respectful to referees in their campaign it's about having respect for my football club, Liverpool Football Club.

now he's saying,please dont punish me for saying the refs are sh1t,i really respect them <_<
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"If I feel they (Liverpool FC) are suffering in any shape of form then maybe I need to go down the same route as some other people go and see if we can get some benefit from that. I'll speak to the owners first and see what they say because the last thing I want is for my behaviour to infringe on the club's success in any way, shape or form."

now he's saying,fergie does it so why cant i do it,i'll ask my boss is it ok.
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No he is wrong, at the end of the day you can pick out incidents like this for every team in the league. the OP highlights Chelsea, United and City for surrounding the ref, yet Reina is one of the worst players for this runs box to box to shout at a ref. Stevie G is very good at winning freekicks by shouting at the ref as well.

The stats show that United are no better of for Fergie doing this, its just your standard Liverpool fan bollox about Fergie owning the refs or similar. Fergie has a go at the ref, gets a ban and fine, then sits in the stands for the next few games. Kenny is quite welcome to do the same.
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Sep 13 2011, 07:44 PM


The stats show that United are no better of for Fergie doing this, its just your standard Liverpool fan bollox about Fergie owning the refs or similar.
Yup its that global conspiracy again :whistle:
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