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Carlo Ancelotti
Topic Started: Sep 27 2011, 11:55 PM (771 Views)
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Van Buyten is who Kompany was bought to replace by Hamburg. Guess what both CB's.
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Sep 29 2011, 08:55 AM
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Sep 29 2011, 08:53 AM
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Sep 29 2011, 08:32 AM
He was where when he won the WC? LW. Henry was very much a Wenger discovery. He'd have been a second rate winger if it wasn't for Wenger and it was due to what Wenger discovered that this didn't happen :p Vieiira was in their reserves is where he was so who was taking a risk on him? Wenger knew about him long before Arsenal and long before Milan and thats why he made him his first signing. Hell Vieira was at the club before Wenger was! I actually think Wenger told either Petit or Vieira if he ever came back to Europe he'd sign them.

Fact is Pato was wanted by EVERYONE. It is like I said before calling Neymar a discovery for the manager he joins. They were wanted by....... yeah exactly. They were not exactly unknowns i'll give you that but they were not in the same bracket in terms of profile of those.

As or the topic, decent manager but nothing special imo. Wouldn't want him at Arsenal.
Example, Vincent Kompany was bought by Mark Hughes as a Midfielder....his regular position. He was dropped into defence as cover and did very well. Does this make him a Hughes discovery???? No.
IMO your logic or intereptation of being discovered is wrong.

Great players can play in a number of positions and finding the best one for them DOESN'T mean you have discovered them.... :lol:
Discovering talent and MANAGING the talent in your team are two totally different things.

Arsene developed Henrys talent but by no stretch of the imagination did he discover him :doh:
Thats not in anyway the same!!!!! Hughes first of all boguht a CB and moved him to DM who then got moved to CB which is different for a start :rofl: Not too clued up on Kompany it seems. Henry moved to Monaco in 1992 and Wenger was manager 1988-1994. DISCOVERED.
So you DONT understand the difference between Discovery and Development....no problem mate, at least now we know.
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Henry joined 1992. Wenger managed there 1988-1994. Read the years again, its simple.

Also......"Vincent Kompany was bought by Mark Hughes as a Midfielder....his regular position"

Its good to see Mascherano play week in week out for Barcelona in his regular position of CB.
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Btw if you come out and say "scouts" etc... then no manager ever discovers anyone. End of that discussion.

If you mention his age then Wenger bought Cesc at the same age. Didn't discover him then either?
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Wenger gets too much credit for turning Henry into a fwd. He was a fwd at Monaco alongside Trezeguet as understudies to Sonny Anderson, it was only upon arriving at Juve that he was utilised on the Wing due to his incredible pace. In regards to Vieira he was very well known across Europe and it was only his inabilty to settle in Italy that made Milan sell him.

Ancelotti was a victim of his own success at Milan and to an extent Chelsea also, if you look at the spending at both those clubs during his tenure (Milan - the last few years & Chelsea untill the last window) and you compare it to his rivals spending you see that the chairmen he worked for were going through a period of prudence and yet he still managed to keep winning and challenging for titles.
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You mean Wenger gets too much credit for giving him his debut as a striker when at Monaco no one was sure where he'd play and then moving him back there? Wenger gets the credit he deserved for it.

Wenger told Vieira before his move that he ever comes back to Europe he wanted to sign him. I think it was him anyway. It may have been Petit.
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Sep 29 2011, 08:58 AM
Van Buyten is who Kompany was bought to replace by Hamburg. Guess what both CB's.
If you took your blinkers off and read my post you would see i said 'Hughes bought Kompany as a Midfielder' which is Kompanys own preferred position. Because Hughes persisted with him in DF doesn't mean he discovered him which seems to be your definition of discovery....and is wrong.

Now i have no interest in getting into a Goonie postathon as we've been there done that and never agree. So i'll leave you with the below to digest and disagree with.

this·cov·er·y   /dɪˈskʌvəri/ Show Spelled[dih-skuhv-uh-ree] Show IPA
noun, plural -er·ies.
1. the act or an instance of discovering.
2. something discovered.

de·vel·op   /dɪˈvɛləp/ Show Spelled[dih-vel-uhp] Show IPA
verb (used with object)
1. to bring out the capabilities or possibilities of; bring to a more advanced or effective state: to develop natural resources; to develop one's musical talent.
2. to cause to grow or expand: to develop one's muscles.
3. to elaborate or expand in detail: to develop a theory.
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"Van Buyten is who Kompany was bought to replace by Hamburg. Guess what both CB's."

He was a CB already. So your post isn't correct.

Henry at Monaco wasn't sure where he'd play. It was Wenger at Monaco who decided he'd be a striker.

Yeah exactly. Very different.
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Btw when I say he wasn't sure where he'd play I don't mean he knew his position and didn't know if he'd be played there.
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Sep 29 2011, 09:21 AM
"Van Buyten is who Kompany was bought to replace by Hamburg. Guess what both CB's."

He was a CB already. So your post isn't correct.

Henry at Monaco wasn't sure where he'd play. It was Wenger at Monaco who decided he'd be a striker.

Yeah exactly. Very different.
My post is perfectly right as like i'm about to repeat for the third time for you 'Hughes bought him to play in Midfield' DM to be exact. Kompany can play both positions equally well but DM is his well known preferred position and the one Hughes bought him for.

But by me having to constantly repeat myself to youj shows how much you missed my original point. Wenger didn't discover most of the players you mention, he bought them then developed them.

And please dont suggest Wenger discovered Cesc! A product of Barcelona who simply couldn't get in the side. Fork me :doh:
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Sep 29 2011, 09:34 AM
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Sep 29 2011, 09:21 AM
"Van Buyten is who Kompany was bought to replace by Hamburg. Guess what both CB's."

He was a CB already. So your post isn't correct.

Henry at Monaco wasn't sure where he'd play. It was Wenger at Monaco who decided he'd be a striker.

Yeah exactly. Very different.
My post is perfectly right as like i'm about to repeat for the third time for you 'Hughes bought him to play in Midfield' DM to be exact. Kompany can play both positions equally well but DM is his well known preferred position and the one Hughes bought him for.

But by me having to constantly repeat myself to youj shows how much you missed my original point. Wenger didn't discover most of the players you mention, he bought them then developed them.

And please dont suggest Wenger discovered Cesc! A product of Barcelona who simply couldn't get in the side. Fork me :doh:
Its totally different!!!! Hughes bought someone who was playing at CB at the time. Wenger made him a striker at MONACO. When he didn't have a position. DIFFERENT.

:rofl: He was 15 years of forking age when he came to Arsenal. He never reached an age where he could get a chance. So please don't try and suggest he just couldn't get in the side. Dear god :doh: Please before responding go read a little about these players.
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Ryo Miyaichi not a Wenger discovery then? Because he already knew his position?
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players NEVER have fixed positions normally when they are starting out. its down to developing that they find their true position.
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Sep 29 2011, 09:37 AM
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Sep 29 2011, 09:21 AM
"Van Buyten is who Kompany was bought to replace by Hamburg. Guess what both CB's."

He was a CB already. So your post isn't correct.

Henry at Monaco wasn't sure where he'd play. It was Wenger at Monaco who decided he'd be a striker.

Yeah exactly. Very different.
My post is perfectly right as like i'm about to repeat for the third time for you 'Hughes bought him to play in Midfield' DM to be exact. Kompany can play both positions equally well but DM is his well known preferred position and the one Hughes bought him for.

But by me having to constantly repeat myself to youj shows how much you missed my original point. Wenger didn't discover most of the players you mention, he bought them then developed them.

And please dont suggest Wenger discovered Cesc! A product of Barcelona who simply couldn't get in the side. Fork me :doh:
Its totally different!!!! Hughes bought someone who was playing at CB at the time. Wenger made him a striker at MONACO. When he didn't have a position. DIFFERENT.

:rofl: He was 15 years of forking age when he came to Arsenal. He never reached an age where he could get a chance. So please don't try and suggest he just couldn't get in the side. Dear god :doh: Please before responding go read a little about these players.
So Wenger DISCOVERED Cesc!!! :rofl: :rofl: :rofl:

How on earth did Wenger manage to find a young uncut diamond like Cesc at a tin pot club like Barca....Wow, amazing.

Right thats me out of this debate.
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So basically no player is ever discovered? Thats what you think.
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