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England squad
Topic Started: Oct 2 2011, 02:08 PM (758 Views)
tebroc
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either way, we still didnt have 23 world class players. we had 14/15 very good players and 2 or 3 world class. now we have 2 or 3 world class and about 5 great players. we wont win anything for another 15 odd years anyway, lots of nations far superior to us.

i think barry isnt mobile enough to operate in a 2 man midfield at the highest level, he works well against the teams just below that though.
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I'm hoping the players breaking through at the top clubs will help England, the likes of Sturridge, Welbeck, Cleaverly, Wilshire, Jones etc... all playing regularly at the top level should hopefuly allow the England team to improve

Though the different systems between the teams may be a problem. If for instance England set up similarly to how United play to get the best out of Rooney and Young, I cant see Sturridge fitting into that system. Similarly if England were to set up like Chelsea i cant see them getting the most out of Rooney as a loan striker, althogh I see England needing to adapt a 433/451 for the bigger nations(Spain, Germany, France etc...)

I would like to see

Young Rooney Sturridge
Cleaverly
Wilshiere Parker

at some point in the next few years against one of the bigger nations
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MCfc is right tbh the squad is looking terrible. The clubs have to take a massive bit of the blame becuse they aren't giving enough time to their youth players. Look at the u21s and it is full of/has been full of reserve players and that isn't right at all tbh. The manager is going to have to fast-track the likes of Smalling, Jones, Welbeck, McEachran etc.
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Oct 4 2011, 11:18 AM
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Oct 4 2011, 11:09 AM
milner is nowhere as good as parker. Parker is a very good CM.
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complete gubbins

parker and Milner are very similar, with Milner being slightly better

Milner age 25, 19 caps
this season 5 games one goal 2 assists (league only)

parker age 30 9 caps
this season 7 games one goal one assist (4 games i the championship)


parker is an avergae player who stands out because he runs around alot, but he doesnt have good technical ability, this is the same as Milner, but Milner is better
u are thinking of Parker 5 years ago. he doesnt run around alot any more. thats what milner does atm lol parker has become a more intelligent player who holds his position well and distributes the ball extremely well. he has improved so much. milner is more a lamp and gerrard type player which isnt a great thing on the international stage especially when your not as good as them. this caps ratio is pointless as players improve and develop at different ages.
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Oct 5 2011, 04:19 PM
u are thinking of Parker 5 years ago.
nope

it is funny yousay he doesnt run around alot, they did a piece on him on motd2 saying that he does run around alot and plays a simple ball :D

thats why he stands out

so over rated it is untrue

if people want him in the england team it does show the real lack of quality england have

he shouldnt be in the squad, i would rather younger players were given a run out, younger players who can actually pass more than 5 yards sideways


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agree to disagree think hes a very good player. So you think milner runs around too much? Parker is being hindered by what he use to be like imo. hes not really a box to box mid anymore. hes adapted his game to sit and hold which he does very well.
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mcfc1975
Oct 5 2011, 04:29 PM
he shouldnt be in the squad, i would rather younger players were given a run out, younger players who can actually pass more than 5 yards sideways


I assume you dont want De Jong back in the starting line up at City anytime soon?


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he shouldnt be in the squad, i would rather younger players were given a run out, younger players who can actually pass more than 5 yards sideways


I assume you dont want De Jong back in the starting line up at City anytime soon?


lol, De Jong is 87 times the player parker is, but NDJ has improved his forward passing no end recently :thumb:
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De JOng is a better player, but they both do the same job in the respective teams. And did you not see any of Parker for West Ham last season?

and you do know that Xavi made more backwards passes than forwards passes last season? Parker is ni the side to win ball and keep it. Apart from Hargo there isnt any English player as good as him at the role
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De JOng is a better player, but they both do the same job in the respective teams. And did you not see any of Parker for West Ham last season?

and you do know that Xavi made more backwards passes than forwards passes last season? Parker is ni the side to win ball and keep it. Apart from Hargo there isnt any English player as good as him at the role
if that is the case,why has parker got so few caps and Barry os continually picked ahead of him by several different england managers?

He looked good for west ham because he was surrounded by poor players
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mcfc1975
Oct 5 2011, 05:37 PM
Jeffers
Oct 5 2011, 05:05 PM
De JOng is a better player, but they both do the same job in the respective teams. And did you not see any of Parker for West Ham last season?

and you do know that Xavi made more backwards passes than forwards passes last season? Parker is ni the side to win ball and keep it. Apart from Hargo there isnt any English player as good as him at the role
if that is the case,why has parker got so few caps and Barry os continually picked ahead of him by several different england managers?

He looked good for west ham because he was surrounded by poor players
It was Schteve who started to play Barry regularly for England, Fabio just sort of continued that trend after experimenting with the like of Jenas etc. Presently. and for the forseeable future, Parker will be picked ahead of Barry. Simply because he is a much better player.
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De JOng is a better player, but they both do the same job in the respective teams. And did you not see any of Parker for West Ham last season?

and you do know that Xavi made more backwards passes than forwards passes last season? Parker is ni the side to win ball and keep it. Apart from Hargo there isnt any English player as good as him at the role
if that is the case,why has parker got so few caps and Barry os continually picked ahead of him by several different england managers?

He looked good for west ham because he was surrounded by poor players
lol but parker is shining in a good Spurs team and a average england team. why didnt Hoddle earn more caps? why didnt le tissier earn more caps? its all down to a manager not neccessarily the player. and as i have said before Parker has become a better player over the past two years. so under rated. hes not a world beater but he is a very good player
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on Barry vs Parker. Barry was playing for a club in the top half of the prem, whilst Parker was playing at Newcastle and West Ham 2 clubs that were under performing drastically considering the money being spent on players and wages.

Players at the clubs in the top 8 are generally looked on more favorably, doesn't mean the players are any better
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Barry and parker play in a similar role and do the same job. Every England manager has picked Barry over parker because he is better at breaking up play and keeping the ball. Barry isn't as fast as parker, but his tactical awareness and positioning, coupled with a superior passing range means he should be chosen ahead of headless chicken parker.
To who ever said parker will be chosen over Barry for Englands games for the forseeable future, lets just see which of these 2 plodders is picked in a really important game
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Oct 5 2011, 06:26 PM
lol but parker is shining in a good Spurs team and a average england team. why didnt Hoddle earn more caps? why didnt le tissier earn more caps? its all down to a manager not neccessarily the player. and as i have said before Parker has become a better player over the past two years. so under rated. hes not a world beater but he is a very good player
parker has looked above average in an above average side. Barry has looked above average in a pretty good side.
le tiss and hoddle were luxury players and the formation and tactics had to be changed so they could play regularly for England. Like i said, several managers have chosen Barry ahead of parker for England on many occasions. Now these managers have watched both players play and seen them train up close and personal, yet they continually chose Barry.
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