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Is Kenny Dalglish a stop-gap at Liverpool?
Topic Started: Oct 15 2011, 10:35 PM (2,909 Views)
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Before the transfer window 4th was definitely the minimum target. Then we went and spent how much? Anything less than that really means Kenny and Comolli have made a right mess of things. Very early days though, I'm quite happy with our start.
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Oct 23 2011, 04:07 PM
Right but City were also coming from a a far worse position, they were a midtable team at best, yo yo team at worst, that have become favourites to win the title.

Liverpool are seen as one of the 'big 4', were in top 6 but aren't any better off YET.

You misunderstand my point about Hodgson, you managed 6th DESPITE having having him in charge for the first half of the season. So i would be surprised if the majority weren't expecting 4th this season considering you have a "legend" in with backing that most managers can only dream of, fans wise, owners wise and financially. iI'm not saying that you should be at the top of the table. In fact before the season started i predicted Europa league at best because i don't see him as someone who is going to do anything but "steady the ship".

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But your really taking these 8 months out of context and seem to be judging our position of 6th this season with the games from last year which have nothing to do with it.

The facts are simple, were currently 6th and aiming for 4th with our main rivals looking like spurs Kenny has us in a much better position than Woy had it last year
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Stryke
Oct 23 2011, 04:07 PM
Right but City were also coming from a a far worse position, they were a midtable team at best, yo yo team at worst, that have become favourites to win the title.

Liverpool are seen as one of the 'big 4', were in top 6 but aren't any better off YET.

You misunderstand my point about Hodgson, you managed 6th DESPITE having having him in charge for the first half of the season. So i would be surprised if the majority weren't expecting 4th this season considering you have a "legend" in with backing that most managers can only dream of, fans wise, owners wise and financially. iI'm not saying that you should be at the top of the table. In fact before the season started i predicted Europa league at best because i don't see him as someone who is going to do anything but "steady the ship".

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amazing stryke, never took you to overreact, I didnt know the season has finished and we are 6th....

sure you follow ENTIRELY on stats, we are 6th at the moment, same position we finished last year, look beyond that and you will see that our performance have been much better, poor finishing has cost us 3 victories this season

we spent big money in the summer but also let a lot go, we had a huge turnover of players, as a football fan you should know it takes time for teams to gel, example is city

I recommend waiting till the end of the season before getting on that horse mate :lol:

it took city, what hmm

07.08- 45m

08.09 127m

09.10 125m

10.11 155m

11.12 82m

so 5 seasons of consistent spending to make it to possibly the best. I think we need 2 seasons of consistent spending to challenge again, if not 2 then 3, we went backwards a lot in the final season of our previous owners, spent very little and slowly lost guys like alonso and mascherano
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I love how im being accused of a knee jerk response despite saying the same thing i was back in January.

But anyway, i am not denying you are doing beter than with hodgson. in fact im pretty sure i SPECIFICALLY MENTIONED THAT IN MY POSTS.

My point is that Liverpool do not look like a top 4 contender to me at a time in a season where their direct rivals in recent years (Arsenal, SPurs, Everton and Villa) have all had issues.

i am not claiming that he should be taking you to the tp of the table, im maintaining that a 'good' manager with hi advantages would have you doing better and taking advantage of the situation.

Also all this "its only 9 games in, wait till the end of the season" thing is bollocks. If we never discussed anything prior to the outcome being imminent then whats the point of the forum or any predictions?

Edit: You mention players leaving but of the major ones, Alonso, Mascherano and Torres, two left well before Dalglish came in and the other was way off form for a long while prior.

second edit: You mention that poor finishing has cost you points but you make it sound like it was just bad luck. Surely if your strikers can't finish then thats a problem with the team/players right? I could equally say that you deserve less points then because Reina pulls off some great saves, etc etc etc.
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My main concern is Arsenal only being 2(?) points behind us even with all their problems. Not even looking at Spurs.
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Stryke
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And that was one thing that made me thing of this again this weekend. They were written off fr top 4 not so long ago after their worst ever start to a season in history or something? And yet they are getting back in the running already. Even Newcastle are looking good, although i doubt they'll kee it up all season.

Edit: by "not even looking at spurs" do you mean you are taking it for granted that they are oing to be an obstacle or that you dn't think they will be?
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Oct 23 2011, 09:12 PM
And that was one thing that made me thing of this again this weekend. They were written off fr top 4 not so long ago after their worst ever start to a season in history or something? And yet they are getting back in the running already. Even Newcastle are looking good, although i doubt they'll kee it up all season.

Edit: by "not even looking at spurs" do you mean you are taking it for granted that they are oing to be an obstacle or that you dn't think they will be?
I take for granted they'll be thereabouts under Harry. When they beat us to 4th everyone was going on about how we only finished 7 points behind them in spite of our terrible performances and last season they finished only 4 ahead of us in spite of us not turning up until January...yet this season we're playing much better and I still can't see us getting above them in the table.

But 4th is still the minimum aim and I agree with Paddy, if we don't get it then KD and DC have a lot to take responsibility for (especially poor signings.)
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We made a terrible start, lost our 2 best players, spent little money in comparrison & people talk about Wenger being sacked. Yet we are just 2 points behind you!

Liverpool really think they have had a good start? We have had a s**t one & have had far more problems with our squad & of course we havent spent £125M yet like I said 2 points behind :blink:
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A much better start than last season has given the impression of it being a good start aswell as the overall play from last seasons early debacle, the mood/atmosphere in comparison is excellent

With it being early days, a few losses can easily be made up for and your right back up the table.
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Oct 27 2011, 04:25 PM
We made a terrible start, lost our 2 best players, spent little money in comparrison & people talk about Wenger being sacked. Yet we are just 2 points behind you!

Liverpool really think they have had a good start? We have had a s**t one & have had far more problems with our squad & of course we havent spent £125M yet like I said 2 points behind :blink:
So being 5th isnt a good start when only 3 better teams, spurs and a newcastle team that are on run are ahead of us?
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Victor
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We made a terrible start, lost our 2 best players, spent little money in comparrison & people talk about Wenger being sacked. Yet we are just 2 points behind you!

Liverpool really think they have had a good start? We have had a s**t one & have had far more problems with our squad & of course we havent spent £125M yet like I said 2 points behind :blink:
So being 5th isnt a good start when only 3 better teams, spurs and a newcastle team that are on run are ahead of us?
Are you saying spurs (a team that gave you an almighty spanking) are not as good as you? Do you think Arsenal have made a rubbish start to the season? I'm just asking as you are only 2 points ahead of us after spending £120M, not losing your 2 best players & having a man that can do no wrong and knows everything in charge....
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Once again, you're ignoring fixtures.
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Oct 28 2011, 01:29 PM
Once again, you're ignoring fixtures.
After this weekend Arsenal will have played Chelsea (not sure if home or away, difficult regardless), united away, spurs away and Liverpool at home..
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Oct 28 2011, 01:29 PM
Once again, you're ignoring fixtures.
And performances tbh. The games we haven't won haven't been through a lack of effort or chances. All bar the Spurs game of course. Should have beaten Stoke or at the very least got a point. Should have held on to our lead against Utd and or scored some of our good chances. Had plenty of chances to beat Sunderland etc.
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