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Is Kenny Dalglish a stop-gap at Liverpool?
Topic Started: Oct 15 2011, 10:35 PM (2,910 Views)
BALLBAG
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They have gone OTT on Suarez unfortunately. He was hauled to the ground 3 times in that game. He went down far too easily on a few occasions but the refs have to find the right way to judge him
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boy who cryed wolf comes to mind, he does it so much certain refs will ignore him when he is fouled. I also think the amount he fakes injury on his ankle is to distinct and if a ref notices that he wont get as many, sometime he will be better off going down and almost getting straight back up
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He really doesn't help himself unfortunately. If he didn't roll around so much or wave his arms about so much I think he'd be judged fairer. There were 2 or 3 occassions today he should have had a freekick but because he makes such a meal out of it the ref ignored him. Although tbf the ref was giving fork all to anyone all day long :lol:

With regards to Kenny. Love the man but the second things aren't going well on the pitch he hasn't got a scooby doo. Substitutions are ALWAYS too late. Subs are predictable in who comes off and who comes on for the most part even though they make no sense tactically or are just plain wrong. Doesn't matter how well someone is playing, Kenny always seems to have his subs planned out before kickoff. That's the only way I can explain most of them. None of them are ever game changers or even tactically to sure things up. If Hendo is on the bench you can be guaranteed to see him circa 68mins for example.

The way he has the team set up at the start (whether it's him or Clark I dunno) often seems pretty spot on and that's also shown by how well we have started the vast majority of games. However, when we then fail to score from all our dominance he does naff all to change things when we have our inevitable lapse. Unfortunately those lapses are ending in goals against us every time atm.
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the fact we sold someone like meireles is also haunting us atm, i know he wanted to go but he was under contract. imagine bringing on meireles in cm and pushing say gerrard near the top yesterday? would have helped loads

kuyt really does need to be shipped out as well, it was the same under rafa as well, no matter how bad the guy played, better players got subbed

bringing in a proper right midfield player and a striker should be our main aim in jan, a back up lb is important as well as we only have one
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that really was the most frustrating game ive endured for a long time

agree with titles about meireles
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ive said this before papa, dalglish has an inibility to change things up if needed

i bet we havnt won a game under kenny after being a goal down
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The one thing i cant understand is why people keep bringing it back to the amount of money he spent on signings, every manager spends big and it doesnt always work out, Veron and Berba were huge signings and look at pretty much everyone city brought in the first few years of having money, how many of them are still there now?
Some people seem to have some idea that Liverpool are expecting to challange for the title (them being the same people that if any liverpool fan posted that would be the first to say there not near a title challange)
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No WUM here but wasn't part of Hodgson downfall due to his tactical nous?
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Hodgsons downfall was getting the job in the first place, everything he did was wrong
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Oct 23 2011, 01:29 PM
No WUM here but wasn't part of Hodgson downfall due to his tactical nous?
woy started bad, subbed bad and ended bad

kenny starts great, middle is bad from what I have seen and end is all over the place depending on the subs and if chances are taken
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Thing is Roy was doomed from the start so to say as I didn't see him getting much backing, or at least not a confident backing.

Kenny has been backed massively in a support, and a financial side of things. I see that now people are getting annoyed with Kenny and his lack of being able to change a game, but if it had been someone who wasn't in KD stature on Liverpools hearts (Roy) would he have been given this long?

There is no doubt improvements have been made, but I still stand by what I said when he came in - he isn't the messiah everyone thought and it will take a much better manager to really take Liverpool on.
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Well tbf we still had Gillette and Hicks in charge so nobody was getting backed who ever came in, and by the time jan came around there was no point in backing him as he was going.
Roy just summed up the H&G ownership, no desire to go out and get the best just pick up somebody who had had a decent season the year before
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Oct 23 2011, 01:26 PM
The one thing i cant understand is why people keep bringing it back to the amount of money he spent on signings, every manager spends big and it doesnt always work out, Veron and Berba were huge signings and look at pretty much everyone city brought in the first few years of having money, how many of them are still there now?
Some people seem to have some idea that Liverpool are expecting to challange for the title (them being the same people that if any liverpool fan posted that would be the first to say there not near a title challange)
Well City were expected (and currently fulfilling that expectation <_< ) to go for the title this year purely down to the money that have spent, doesn't mean they haven't wasted some of it.

After having spent more than anyone other than Chelsea and City (off the top of my head) and having a full 8 months plus (almost) two transfer windows to settle in the expectation would be that Liverpool would be better off than the 6th place you finished last year when you apparently had the widely dubbed "worst manager in liverpool's history" for half the season. Assuming that Spurs get 2 points from there 2 points in hand that will place you 6th still.

Of course things can and will change before the end of the season but Liverpool haven't shown anything yet that makes me think you're better than any of the existing top 4 (i don't mean Newcastle by that).
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The one thing i cant understand is why people keep bringing it back to the amount of money he spent on signings, every manager spends big and it doesnt always work out, Veron and Berba were huge signings and look at pretty much everyone city brought in the first few years of having money, how many of them are still there now?
Some people seem to have some idea that Liverpool are expecting to challange for the title (them being the same people that if any liverpool fan posted that would be the first to say there not near a title challange)
Well City were expected (and currently fulfilling that expectation <_< ) to go for the title this year purely down to the money that have spent, doesn't mean they haven't wasted some of it.

After having spent more than anyone other than Chelsea and City (off the top of my head) and having a full 8 months plus (almost) two transfer windows to settle in the expectation would be that Liverpool would be better off than the 6th place you finished last year when you apparently had the widely dubbed "worst manager in liverpool's history" for half the season. Assuming that Spurs get 2 points from there 2 points in hand that will place you 6th still.

Of course things can and will change before the end of the season but Liverpool haven't shown anything yet that makes me think you're better than any of the existing top 4 (i don't mean Newcastle by that).
Yeah City were expected to win the league this year but not the first season.

And you go back to the "worst manager in lfc history" finishing 6th but that just not true he was no where near 6th when he was sacked and it was Kenny that finished off the season. And ok if spurs get 2 points they will be 6th but on the other hand its also october so its not as if the league is anywhere near over, also Newcastle will be found out soon enough and fall from 4th.
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Right but City were also coming from a a far worse position, they were a midtable team at best, yo yo team at worst, that have become favourites to win the title.

Liverpool are seen as one of the 'big 4', were in top 6 but aren't any better off YET.

You misunderstand my point about Hodgson, you managed 6th DESPITE having having him in charge for the first half of the season. So i would be surprised if the majority weren't expecting 4th this season considering you have a "legend" in with backing that most managers can only dream of, fans wise, owners wise and financially. iI'm not saying that you should be at the top of the table. In fact before the season started i predicted Europa league at best because i don't see him as someone who is going to do anything but "steady the ship".

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