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Topic Started: Oct 21 2011, 12:40 AM (913 Views)
manu22
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i didnt say that Goonie. but many players didnt graduate from Barca. and are great players. so if they can do it im sure messi could too.
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StarkRavingGenius
Oct 21 2011, 07:30 PM
manu22
Oct 21 2011, 07:28 PM
Messi was cherry picked from across the globe.
Messi came from the academy. Who says he would have been this good if he didn't join Barcelona?
he technically came through the youth academy because he was brought to the academy when he was very young.

i say he would of because there was plenty of teams sniffing about him. tbh thats like saying would ryan giggs have been the same player if he hadnt signed for utd when he was young. the ability is there and would come through regardless of the club he would of been at
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manu22
Oct 21 2011, 07:20 PM
i see your logic zeezoo and agree with most of it. what do you think of Iniesta then? he seems to drag his teams both barca and spain out of situations.
Not as good as Zidane.
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Oct 21 2011, 07:38 PM
manu22
Oct 21 2011, 07:20 PM
i see your logic zeezoo and agree with most of it. what do you think of Iniesta then? he seems to drag his teams both barca and spain out of situations.
Not as good as Zidane.
my point was do you think hes better than Xavi?
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ZeeZoo
Oct 21 2011, 07:33 PM
StarkRavingGenius
Oct 21 2011, 07:21 PM
Messi against Madrid last season in the semi final did that and Gerrard has done that so Gerrard is now as good as Zidane right?

Zidane was never consistantly anything. You have to be consistant to do that. Also Messi is consistantly exceptional every season.

It is a pathetic way to judge people. If you think people should be judged on 4-5 games every 4 years then there is no point in this debate.

You've said you don't even watch La Liga on Liquid so yeah you're guessing tbh :lol: You'll try and argue this but you haven't a leg to stand on when you have said you don't watch them.
It's quite clear that the whole point of this is to differentiate between "extremely exceptional" players and "extremely, extremely exceptional" players, Gerrard is neither thus he's not as good as Messi or Zidane.

You're chatting s**t. Massive misconception, he was consistent in France, and consistent in Madrid but because he didn't do a roulette or didn't glide past 3 players his performances were

Zidane - World Cup 2006 knockout stages - Spain, Brazil, Portugal & Italy.
Zidane - Euro 2000 - Netherlands, Czech Republic, Denmark, Spain, Portugal & Italy.

Some of the greatest teams of their time, immense pressure as a whole nation's expectations are on your shoulder, one chance, one knockout, different conditions, the only player performing exceptionally on the team yet you say it is a poor way of judging Zidane? I know there is no argument, a "s**t" and "pathetic" way to judge a player? Silly.

I'll say it again, I watch them in the Champions League, which I mentioned, I watch them in the Euros, which I mentioned, and I watch them in the WC, which I mentioned. I really don't want to be watching a shitty match with very little competition & tactics vs. Getafe.
Messi turns up and smashes every team he plays. Zidane never did this and that to me makes Messi the "extremely, extremely exceptional" player.

:lol: Yeah everyone just lied didn't they. Xavi doesn't do that every game but he is seen as very consistant? Messi doesn't do that every game but he is seen as very consistant. Infact in some games Messi literally doesn't bother to run at players and he is still mugging them off with 1-2's round the players etc.... I don't see why people just had something against Zidane? They didn't.

Yes 4 -5 games every 4 years is a pathetic way to judge a player. They should be judged on what they do season in season out performing against the greatest sides in the world. No idea why them being International sids makes it more important becuase for me Real Madrid are better than any international side other than Spain. Messi performs against these season in season out.

Ahhhh so again a few games every season. You have no idea how they perform on a consistant basis etc... great way to judge players.


Messi since 08/09 has played 172 games and has been worth 217 goals. Just the best there is. fork 4-6 games every 4 years. That is what makes someone great. Doing it at the highest standard too.
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:lol: You are taking it all wrong. I never said he wouldn't have still came through but I am saying he wouldn't be as good.
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manu22
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how can zizou do what messi does. completely different players no one expected zizou to score more than 10 goals a season but ppl expected magic which he produced every game.
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I also think the decrease in the level of defending(just look at Aguero's goal in the CL) plus the amount of contact needed for a foul has changed recently which will help the current selection of players.
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goonie stop talking shite, your opinion is not backed up by facts zeezoos is :p
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My point was with my stats that Messi is performing on the higest stage of football season in season out with consistant peformances than Zidane could only dream of. The assists too. 63 assists were part of those goals he was worth so he creates for fun too and lets face it producing magic? Messi does this :lol:
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thefieldsofanfieldroad
Oct 21 2011, 07:48 PM
goonie stop talking shite, your opinion is not backed up by facts zeezoos is :p
No it not :rofl:
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manu22
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the only way you can judge these players is tgrough your own conceptiom. ie. does player x meet my expectations in certain areas etc if so then of course in each person's opinion they will regard different players highly.
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Why do you care though Goonie, why does Messi have to be the greatest of all time at the age of 24?
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Oct 21 2011, 07:48 PM
My point was with my stats that Messi is performing on the higest stage of football season in season out with consistant peformances than Zidane could only dream of. The assists too. 63 assists were part of those goals he was worth so he creates for fun too and lets face it producing magic? Messi does this :lol:
but your the one dismissing Zidane. Zidane did what was required of him and more. Mesdi does too. and for me theres not much in it. btw im confused thought this was about zidane and xavi? coz id have messi just above zidane. And zidane above xavi. ;)
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manu22
http://the-football-net.com/single/?p=8846309&t=7526027
the only way you can judge these players is tgrough your own conceptiom. ie. does player x meet my expectations in certain areas etc if so then of course in each person's opinion they will regard different players highly.

I agree. I just find it a silly way to judge them on just 4-6 games. If others do then fair enough but i'm just saying what I judge them on.

ZeeZoo
http://the-football-net.com/single/?p=8846313&t=7526027
Why do you care though Goonie, why does Messi have to be the greatest of all time at the age of 24?

He doesn't :lol: I just think he is.
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