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Topic Started: Oct 23 2011, 07:43 PM (754 Views)
stacie
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Mancini appears to be a good manager but while he's at City he'll never show he can achieve what Wenger has achieved because players are handed to him on a plate and money isn't an issue.

Last year City were distinctly average, finishing one spot above Wenger's team - a team that struggled badly at the end of the season. So they just went out and threw more money around. Now they're looking much better. Wenger doesn't have that luxury, and I don't really know what Mancini would achieve in this league without it because I'm not familiar with his other managerial roles.

People disrespect Wenger because he's got a lot wrong lately but Arsene has been about more than just the team, he's also had a big hand in helping to push Arsenal on financially. Mancini doesn't have to worry about any of that, and neither do City. He still has to do a job and so far he's doing it well domestically but comparing Mancini to Wenger is never going to work. It's like comparing a man who's been given a brand new house to decorate with a man who built his house from scratch (but now can't see it needs a new roof :lol: )
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Oct 23 2011, 09:53 PM
thing is Fergie lacks in a few departments but excels in the most important ones which makes him great.
What do you think he lacks in?

Think he is the best manager ever and won't see anyone like him ever again or at least not in my lifetime.
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Tbh Buttons I think the comparisons were tongue in cheek.
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Oct 24 2011, 08:42 PM
manu22
Oct 23 2011, 09:53 PM
thing is Fergie lacks in a few departments but excels in the most important ones which makes him great.
What do you think he lacks in?

Think he is the best manager ever and won't see anyone like him ever again or at least not in my lifetime.
tactics and stubborness are his downfall imo
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Whatever people think Ferguson lacks in tactics, he makes up for in drive. Ugly old goat. (Had to get that in there)
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Oct 24 2011, 08:54 PM
Whatever people think Ferguson lacks in tactics, he makes up for in drive. Ugly old goat. (Had to get that in there)
thats what my point was in my original post Stacie. someone mentioned he has lacks a few things. and i said he may lack a few but excel in others.
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It's possible that I just didn't read that :lol:
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I agree he probably lacks in tactics to a sense, like said before what he may lack in some aspects he makes up for in abundance with others.
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stacie
Oct 24 2011, 08:40 PM
Mancini appears to be a good manager but while he's at City he'll never show he can achieve what Wenger has achieved because players are handed to him on a plate and money isn't an issue.

Last year City were distinctly average, finishing one spot above Wenger's team - a team that struggled badly at the end of the season. So they just went out and threw more money around. Now they're looking much better. Wenger doesn't have that luxury, and I don't really know what Mancini would achieve in this league without it because I'm not familiar with his other managerial roles.

People disrespect Wenger because he's got a lot wrong lately but Arsene has been about more than just the team, he's also had a big hand in helping to push Arsenal on financially. Mancini doesn't have to worry about any of that, and neither do City. He still has to do a job and so far he's doing it well domestically but comparing Mancini to Wenger is never going to work. It's like comparing a man who's been given a brand new house to decorate with a man who built his house from scratch (but now can't see it needs a new roof :lol: )
Mancini does have the dream job tbf regarding funds etc but he has won trophies everywhere he's been Stacie.

At Fiorentina he won the Coppa Italia despite having to sell all their best players and was rumoured to be working unpaid at times to prove himself.
Same thing at Lazio. He took over after Sven had spent the crown jewels and his first job was to sell Crespo and Nesta and motivate the rest of the squad who had their wages reduced by 80%!!! Went on to win the Italian cup again.

His time at Inter is well documented but he won what he did. It wasn't his fault the competition was corrupt tbf to him. You can only beat who's in front of you.

He has now started to get it right at City but he has been under an amazing amount of pressure due to primadonna players, media and expectation.
Others would have crumbled under some of the conditions he's worked under imo.
Money aside which i know has made it easier for him he is doing a great job and 10 major trophies in 10 years is very good too.

I'm not saying Wenger is rubbish, far from it but he has only won 7 major trophies in 24 years yet is regarded as a genius by most.
Some talk like he has taken Arsenal from Non-league to CL but he hasn't. Arsenal were a top side when he took over, they are still a top side today so he has merely done what was expected of him, just like Mancini has at City.

Lets not forget Mancini has only been at City for just over 18 months (Only one full season). At 46 time is on his side to prove himself in all of footballs competitions.
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No one's suggesting Wenger took Arsenal from non-league to CL. Did people really expect Arsenal to achieve what they did under Wenger when he took over? I don't think Wenger 'merely did what was expected' at all but you're a hell of a lot older than me so you may know better.

If the expectations are the same, the reasons for them will be very different.
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Oct 24 2011, 09:13 PM
No one's suggesting Wenger took Arsenal from non-league to CL. Did people really expect Arsenal to achieve what they did under Wenger when he took over? I don't think Wenger 'merely did what was expected' at all but you're a hell of a lot older than me so you may know better.

If the expectations are the same, the reasons for them will be very different.
Same could be said about any manager tbh.

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Arsene Wenger is a top coach, one of the best there has ever been. Been able to produce a team challenging for honours year in, year out despite being on a tight budget. His ability to spot & nurture talent is second only to Ferguson. Incredibly tactically aware, great man-management & a genius. He is a top, top manager. I'm sorry but those who don't realise that he belongs up there with the Fergusons and Lippis are not looking at the big picture.
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UwesGrandad
Oct 24 2011, 09:08 PM
stacie
Oct 24 2011, 08:40 PM
Mancini appears to be a good manager but while he's at City he'll never show he can achieve what Wenger has achieved because players are handed to him on a plate and money isn't an issue.

Last year City were distinctly average, finishing one spot above Wenger's team - a team that struggled badly at the end of the season. So they just went out and threw more money around. Now they're looking much better. Wenger doesn't have that luxury, and I don't really know what Mancini would achieve in this league without it because I'm not familiar with his other managerial roles.

People disrespect Wenger because he's got a lot wrong lately but Arsene has been about more than just the team, he's also had a big hand in helping to push Arsenal on financially. Mancini doesn't have to worry about any of that, and neither do City. He still has to do a job and so far he's doing it well domestically but comparing Mancini to Wenger is never going to work. It's like comparing a man who's been given a brand new house to decorate with a man who built his house from scratch (but now can't see it needs a new roof :lol: )

I'm not saying Wenger is rubbish, far from it but he has only won 7 major trophies in 24 years yet is regarded as a genius by most.
Some talk like he has taken Arsenal from Non-league to CL but he hasn't. Arsenal were a top side when he took over, they are still a top side today so he has merely done what was expected of him, just like Mancini has at City.
Lol, Mancini has a very bit to go before he can be held in the same view as Wenger. "Merely done what was expected of him"????????? Lmfao, he's been given no money yet he's still been able to keep Arsenal in the top 4 for the last 15 years whilst breaking United's dominance AND keeping in with the tradition of the club which is extremely, extremely hard to achieve. The only issue I have with Wenger is his lack of European success which I will not hold against him considering he has operated on a tight budget for the majority of his career.
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Oct 24 2011, 09:22 PM
Arsene Wenger is a top coach, one of the best there has ever been. Been able to produce a team challenging for honours year in, year out despite being on a tight budget. His ability to spot & nurture talent is second only to Ferguson. Incredibly tactically aware, great man-management & a genius. He is a top, top manager. I'm sorry but those who don't realise that he belongs up there with the Fergusons and Lippis are not looking at the big picture.
The last few seasons have badly damaged his reputation (right so as well tbh) because of the was he has handled certain things - transfers in particular, his apparent non-existant defensive training and constantly making the same mistakes.
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stacie
Oct 24 2011, 09:13 PM
No one's suggesting Wenger took Arsenal from non-league to CL. Did people really expect Arsenal to achieve what they did under Wenger when he took over? I don't think Wenger 'merely did what was expected' at all but you're a hell of a lot older than me so you may know better.

If the expectations are the same, the reasons for them will be very different.
but you are suggesting he built his house from scratch....which is very far from fact tbf.

In 9 years and 460 games George Graham won 6 major trophies (1986-95)

In 848 games Wenger has won 7 major trophies over 14 years (1996-present).

It was a decent house before he got there tbf.

Wenger plays 'nice' but at times ineffective football and has had money to spend but not done so even when it has been glaringly obvious he should have.
Not really the actions of an astute manager imo.
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