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Topic Started: Oct 23 2011, 07:43 PM (751 Views)
UwesGrandad
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ZeeZoo
Oct 24 2011, 09:54 PM
UwesGrandad
Oct 24 2011, 09:50 PM
ZeeZoo
Oct 24 2011, 09:47 PM
UwesGrandad
Oct 24 2011, 09:40 PM
ZeeZoo
Oct 24 2011, 09:26 PM
UwesGrandad
Oct 24 2011, 09:08 PM
stacie
Oct 24 2011, 08:40 PM
Mancini appears to be a good manager but while he's at City he'll never show he can achieve what Wenger has achieved because players are handed to him on a plate and money isn't an issue.

Last year City were distinctly average, finishing one spot above Wenger's team - a team that struggled badly at the end of the season. So they just went out and threw more money around. Now they're looking much better. Wenger doesn't have that luxury, and I don't really know what Mancini would achieve in this league without it because I'm not familiar with his other managerial roles.

People disrespect Wenger because he's got a lot wrong lately but Arsene has been about more than just the team, he's also had a big hand in helping to push Arsenal on financially. Mancini doesn't have to worry about any of that, and neither do City. He still has to do a job and so far he's doing it well domestically but comparing Mancini to Wenger is never going to work. It's like comparing a man who's been given a brand new house to decorate with a man who built his house from scratch (but now can't see it needs a new roof :lol: )

I'm not saying Wenger is rubbish, far from it but he has only won 7 major trophies in 24 years yet is regarded as a genius by most.
Some talk like he has taken Arsenal from Non-league to CL but he hasn't. Arsenal were a top side when he took over, they are still a top side today so he has merely done what was expected of him, just like Mancini has at City.
Lol, Mancini has a very bit to go before he can be held in the same view as Wenger. "Merely done what was expected of him"????????? Lmfao, he's been given no money yet he's still been able to keep Arsenal in the top 4 for the last 15 years whilst breaking United's dominance AND keeping in with the tradition of the club which is extremely, extremely hard to achieve. The only issue I have with Wenger is his lack of European success which I will not hold against him considering he has operated on a tight budget for the majority of his career.
So Mancini has never worked within financial constraints???

No-one siad they were equal but Wenger is 62, Mancini is 46....thats like comparing Giggs with Cleverly imo.
Lol, Roberto's financial constraints have never ever been as near as what Arsene is going through at the moment.

You were the one doing the comparing.
Are you related to anyone else on this forum or do you start all your posts lol??? :whistle:

Think you've missed the point tbf mate.
Lol is my way of saying "You're chatting s**t but I'm trying to make an effort on this forum so I'll be friendly".

What's the point then? You're saying Wenger is Giggs and Mancini is CleverlEy so there is no point in comparing them yet you are the one comparing. What's not to get?
Bet that was muffled with you saying it from the confines of your own arse :lol:
From anyone else i might be offended but as its you! :rofl: :rofl: :rofl:

My post to Stacie partially explains my point and i cant be arsed to go over it again, sorry :thumb:
Edited by UwesGrandad, Oct 24 2011, 10:01 PM.
Will be keeping Cech in my pocket for the next 3 months. Thanks Pedro :thumb:
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stacie
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UwesGrandad
Oct 24 2011, 09:56 PM
If you have a spare week you can read through it :lol:
Seen the thread, popped my head in there and thought 'ah hell no', so popped back out.

While I thought City were average last season, I never thought Mancini was an average manager, nor do I believe Wenger now is anything like what he used to be. I just think the comparisons are too tough to be made.
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Didnt Wenger say in not so many words that Arsenal spent far too long holding onto Nasri? :S
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stacie
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Yeah he did. Kinda makes you wonder what really went on in the summer.

I thought he had buried his head but I heard that the board were holding out for more money, same with Fabregas. Shame, really.

I won't go on about Nasri cos I'm bitter.
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ZeeZoo
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UwesGrandad
Oct 24 2011, 10:00 PM
ZeeZoo
Oct 24 2011, 09:54 PM
UwesGrandad
Oct 24 2011, 09:50 PM
ZeeZoo
Oct 24 2011, 09:47 PM
UwesGrandad
Oct 24 2011, 09:40 PM
ZeeZoo
Oct 24 2011, 09:26 PM
UwesGrandad
Oct 24 2011, 09:08 PM
stacie
Oct 24 2011, 08:40 PM
Mancini appears to be a good manager but while he's at City he'll never show he can achieve what Wenger has achieved because players are handed to him on a plate and money isn't an issue.

Last year City were distinctly average, finishing one spot above Wenger's team - a team that struggled badly at the end of the season. So they just went out and threw more money around. Now they're looking much better. Wenger doesn't have that luxury, and I don't really know what Mancini would achieve in this league without it because I'm not familiar with his other managerial roles.

People disrespect Wenger because he's got a lot wrong lately but Arsene has been about more than just the team, he's also had a big hand in helping to push Arsenal on financially. Mancini doesn't have to worry about any of that, and neither do City. He still has to do a job and so far he's doing it well domestically but comparing Mancini to Wenger is never going to work. It's like comparing a man who's been given a brand new house to decorate with a man who built his house from scratch (but now can't see it needs a new roof :lol: )

I'm not saying Wenger is rubbish, far from it but he has only won 7 major trophies in 24 years yet is regarded as a genius by most.
Some talk like he has taken Arsenal from Non-league to CL but he hasn't. Arsenal were a top side when he took over, they are still a top side today so he has merely done what was expected of him, just like Mancini has at City.
Lol, Mancini has a very bit to go before he can be held in the same view as Wenger. "Merely done what was expected of him"????????? Lmfao, he's been given no money yet he's still been able to keep Arsenal in the top 4 for the last 15 years whilst breaking United's dominance AND keeping in with the tradition of the club which is extremely, extremely hard to achieve. The only issue I have with Wenger is his lack of European success which I will not hold against him considering he has operated on a tight budget for the majority of his career.
So Mancini has never worked within financial constraints???

No-one siad they were equal but Wenger is 62, Mancini is 46....thats like comparing Giggs with Cleverly imo.
Lol, Roberto's financial constraints have never ever been as near as what Arsene is going through at the moment.

You were the one doing the comparing.
Are you related to anyone else on this forum or do you start all your posts lol??? :whistle:

Think you've missed the point tbf mate.
Lol is my way of saying "You're chatting s**t but I'm trying to make an effort on this forum so I'll be friendly".

What's the point then? You're saying Wenger is Giggs and Mancini is CleverlEy so there is no point in comparing them yet you are the one comparing. What's not to get?
Bet that was muffled with you saying it from the confines of your own arse :lol:
From anyone else i might be offended but as its you! :rofl: :rofl: :rofl:

My post to Stacie partially explains my point and i cant be arsed to go over it again, sorry :thumb:
So there was no point, thanks.
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Oct 24 2011, 09:40 PM
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Oct 24 2011, 09:35 PM
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Oct 24 2011, 09:29 PM
ZeeZoo
Oct 24 2011, 09:22 PM
Arsene Wenger is a top coach, one of the best there has ever been. Been able to produce a team challenging for honours year in, year out despite being on a tight budget. His ability to spot & nurture talent is second only to Ferguson. Incredibly tactically aware, great man-management & a genius. He is a top, top manager. I'm sorry but those who don't realise that he belongs up there with the Fergusons and Lippis are not looking at the big picture.
The last few seasons have badly damaged his reputation (right so as well tbh) because of the was he has handled certain things - transfers in particular, his apparent non-existant defensive training and constantly making the same mistakes.
Transfer issues were a matter of finances something which I believe Wenger is not control of and I believe is restricted. Training? I'm sure there is plenty of defensive training, where did that rumour emerge? Same mistakes? What are those?

Granted he has made mistakes by not signing certain players and by signing certain players, the latter of which is all down to him, but considering the environment in which he has to work in I'd say "Le Prof" has done an extremely good & efficient job.
Transfers out not transfer in. He waited to the last week of the Summer to make a move after delaying Nasri and Cesc transfers all Summer which were inevitable.

There is no rumours re training. But watching them play it is quite clear that something is very wrong with the way they set up their team defensively. They conceded more goals than any other team from set-pieces frm example. They never improved that area all season and that suggests bad management. Their players pick up more muscle injuries than any other team in the league - that is down to training again. Players are being rushed back from injuries and their fitness arebeing wrong risked (Vermaelen & Wilshere)
Nasri's departure was not inevitable and the same goes for Fabregas where the delay in his sale was clearly due to Wenger wanting to find the perfect replacement/still believing that Fabregas would stay on.

There are problems with our defence & central midfield at the moment but it doesn't mean that we're not doing any defensive work. We haven't improved on our central midfield for 4-5 years which is bad management, Ferguson has done nothing about the clown at LB. I'm not making comparisons but even the greats have their flaws, Wenger has never been the greatest of defensive tacticians coupled with the fact that their defence is young and inexperienced.

Wenger can only rely on his fitness coaches to produce the right assessments as well there being a pressure on results thus hurrying back players.
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Monty
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ZeeZoo
Oct 24 2011, 10:23 PM
Dimitar
Oct 24 2011, 09:40 PM
ZeeZoo
Oct 24 2011, 09:35 PM
Dimitar
Oct 24 2011, 09:29 PM
ZeeZoo
Oct 24 2011, 09:22 PM
Arsene Wenger is a top coach, one of the best there has ever been. Been able to produce a team challenging for honours year in, year out despite being on a tight budget. His ability to spot & nurture talent is second only to Ferguson. Incredibly tactically aware, great man-management & a genius. He is a top, top manager. I'm sorry but those who don't realise that he belongs up there with the Fergusons and Lippis are not looking at the big picture.
The last few seasons have badly damaged his reputation (right so as well tbh) because of the was he has handled certain things - transfers in particular, his apparent non-existant defensive training and constantly making the same mistakes.
Transfer issues were a matter of finances something which I believe Wenger is not control of and I believe is restricted. Training? I'm sure there is plenty of defensive training, where did that rumour emerge? Same mistakes? What are those?

Granted he has made mistakes by not signing certain players and by signing certain players, the latter of which is all down to him, but considering the environment in which he has to work in I'd say "Le Prof" has done an extremely good & efficient job.
Transfers out not transfer in. He waited to the last week of the Summer to make a move after delaying Nasri and Cesc transfers all Summer which were inevitable.

There is no rumours re training. But watching them play it is quite clear that something is very wrong with the way they set up their team defensively. They conceded more goals than any other team from set-pieces frm example. They never improved that area all season and that suggests bad management. Their players pick up more muscle injuries than any other team in the league - that is down to training again. Players are being rushed back from injuries and their fitness arebeing wrong risked (Vermaelen & Wilshere)
Nasri's departure was not inevitable and the same goes for Fabregas where the delay in his sale was clearly due to Wenger wanting to find the perfect replacement/still believing that Fabregas would stay on.

There are problems with our defence & central midfield at the moment but it doesn't mean that we're not doing any defensive work. We haven't improved on our central midfield for 4-5 years which is bad management, Ferguson has done nothing about the clown at LB. I'm not making comparisons but even the greats have their flaws, Wenger has never been the greatest of defensive tacticians coupled with the fact that their defence is young and inexperienced.

Wenger can only rely on his fitness coaches to produce the right assessments as well there being a pressure on results thus hurrying back players.
It was inevitable because he refused to sign a new contract and only had 12months left on his deal. So take the money or lose a very good player for free. Wenger knew he had to sell him then, and he waited way way too long over that deal and that cost him Mata. If he believed Cesc would say then he is deluded. EVery man and his dog knew he was on his way out and it was getting to the stage when Arsenal fans wanted the deal done ASAP so they could move on and prepare for their season.

Yes there are problems, but the current problems haven't spanned for as long as Wengers have had. If it does all season then I will take your point. But SAF himself has publically admitted we are too open, Wenger seems extremely set in his ways - another big ctiricism of him from Arsenal fans. The young and inexperienced defence is not an excuse, its his fault it is that way.

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