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United's need for a DM
Topic Started: Oct 24 2011, 05:08 PM (1,351 Views)
SuarezWasNotRacist
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Mein Kampf = my struggle no? :S :lol:
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tbh it has been uniteds weakest area for a while. I really don't understand why fergie didn't address this problem. Utd should have bought barton for that role imho.
Barry would be a regular starter for utd. I am now expecting Barry is s**t lolz, but he covers everywhere, can pick a pass and is very reliable.
Another perfect player would be Hargreaves :D
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“The trouble with referees is that they know the rules, but they do not know the game.”
fergie is a bit like wenger in that sense, blind to his weak spots.
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thefieldsofanfieldroad
Oct 25 2011, 07:44 PM
fergie is a bit like wenger in that sense, blind to his weak spots.
Expand on that please.

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Oct 25 2011, 07:44 PM
fergie is a bit like wenger in that sense, blind to his weak spots.
I don't think he's blind to the issue. After Keane left the club he did try to get Essien and Mikel in before they went to Chelsea, Hargreaves was then meant to be that player but obviously we all know what happened there. Carrick was then utilised as a holding midfielder as a sort of stop-gap, problem is he's just nowhere near top level at that role.
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“The trouble with referees is that they know the rules, but they do not know the game.”
he knew scholes was going to retire this season, so a young replacement should have been bought in last year. although i think cleverly could fill that role for you but not to the same level. keane has never been replaced and that has cost utd since the day he walked out. yes hargreaves came in for that role but hes no roy keane. fergie has had years to remedy these problems but hasnt.

rhcp, wenger is blind to the fact hes not bought the right players in the position they needed strengthening most for years. something fergie has done with the central midfield. his faith in the likes of anderson, fletcher is unbelievable
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Oct 25 2011, 08:23 PM
he knew scholes was going to retire this season, so a young replacement should have been bought in last year. although i think cleverly could fill that role for you but not to the same level. keane has never been replaced and that has cost utd since the day he walked out. yes hargreaves came in for that role but hes no roy keane. fergie has had years to remedy these problems but hasnt.

rhcp, wenger is blind to the fact hes not bought the right players in the position they needed strengthening most for years. something fergie has done with the central midfield. his faith in the likes of anderson, fletcher is unbelievable
He didn't know Scholes was retiring until this Summer.

Yes we've never replaced Keane but the point is that he has tried so saying he's blind to the issue is ignoring that. Essien was the ideal replacement at the time but chose Chelsea, Mikel was highly thought of at the time, he also chose Chelsea. Hargo was top class when he signed, by far England's best player at the WC. He just didn't get the recognition because he played in Germany. In his first season he was immense for us, although Fergie had a habit of using him almost as a utility man at times.


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Oct 25 2011, 08:30 PM
thefieldsofanfieldroad
Oct 25 2011, 08:23 PM
he knew scholes was going to retire this season, so a young replacement should have been bought in last year. although i think cleverly could fill that role for you but not to the same level. keane has never been replaced and that has cost utd since the day he walked out. yes hargreaves came in for that role but hes no roy keane. fergie has had years to remedy these problems but hasnt.

rhcp, wenger is blind to the fact hes not bought the right players in the position they needed strengthening most for years. something fergie has done with the central midfield. his faith in the likes of anderson, fletcher is unbelievable
He didn't know Scholes was retiring until this Summer.

Yes we've never replaced Keane but the point is that he has tried so saying he's blind to the issue is ignoring that. Essien was the ideal replacement at the time but chose Chelsea, Mikel was highly thought of at the time, he also chose Chelsea. Hargo was top class when he signed, by far England's best player at the WC. He just didn't get the recognition because he played in Germany. In his first season he was immense for us, although Fergie had a habit of using him almost as a utility man at times.


point taken, i am not a utd fan. so i can only go off what i see and what i think.

scholes retiring was in the pipe line tho, pretty sure i seen talk about it before last season started :S

yes i agree hes tried but hes tried with an inferior product because he knows the rest of the team during that period would more than make up for it. utd could cope with out one of keane or scholes but they couldnt cope with out both. something which has come more apparent this season.

wenger has done the same with his defence. hes patched it up again and again and again but to no avail. that to me makes them similar in a way
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There is no Roy Keane around now who would be available tbh mate so that's a null point IMO.
We've tried a lot of players in the role, Djemba Djemba, Kleberson, Carrick, Hargreaves for example. If Hargreaves would have stayed fit he'd of been fantastic for us.

Carrick started off fantastically as a deep lying midfielder. Obviosuly he is a very different type of player to Keane but he started off very impressively and unfortunately tailed off somewhat.
Fletcher before his injury was probably the 2nd of 3rd player on the team sheet for us as he had improved so much he was a pivotal player and excelled at what he did. Again he's no Keane but realistically who in world football is?

Also the problem with replacing Scholes was getting the right player in, IMO Scholes is the best English player I've ever seen and again IMO the best midfielder the EPL has seen (also one of the very best in Europe for me).
We went in for Sneijder this summer, and whilst I'd of liked for us to have a plan B in the market when you try and replace some players it's almost an impossibility with financial, personal reasons etc.

I do think SAF has some flaws like every other manager and player will but I don't think he is blind to United' issues personally.
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“The trouble with referees is that they know the rules, but they do not know the game.”
you had the chance to sign the player who could of replaced him this summer but you didnt want to spend that much after spending what you already had
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Oct 25 2011, 08:40 PM
you had the chance to sign the player who could of replaced him this summer but you didnt want to spend that much after spending what you already had
Who?

If you mean Sneijder apparently he wanted £250k a week AFTER tax.
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Hargreaves was world class when he played for us and we wouldn't be creating topics on the "DM" situation. Like it's been said, our inability to replace Roy Keane is due to poor risks and inconsistent players. The risk being Hargreaves, the inconsistent players being Carrick, Fletcher & Anderson. If anyone one of the latter had actually built on their best season (Carrick - 06/07, Fletcher - 09/10, Anderson - never) we would be fine.
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Oct 25 2011, 08:41 PM
Hargreaves was world class when he played for us and we wouldn't be creating topics on the "DM" situation. Like it's been said, our inability to replace Roy Keane is due to poor risks and inconsistent players. The risk being Hargreaves, the inconsistent players being Carrick, Fletcher & Anderson. If anyone one of the latter had actually built on their best season (Carrick - 06/07, Fletcher - 09/10, Anderson - never) we would be fine.
IMO Anderson was very promising and impressive in his first year.
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Oct 25 2011, 08:35 PM
scholes retiring was in the pipe line tho, pretty sure i seen talk about it before last season started :S

yes i agree hes tried but hes tried with an inferior product because he knows the rest of the team during that period would more than make up for it. utd could cope with out one of keane or scholes but they couldnt cope with out both. something which has come more apparent this season.

wenger has done the same with his defence. hes patched it up again and again and again but to no avail. that to me makes them similar in a way
Well the Scholes talk was going on for a few years but apparently him and Giggs were just deciding at the end of the season if they'd stay on or not. Doesn't mean we shouldn't have brought anybody in though i agree. The fact we were in for Sneijder shows that Fergie was actively trying to improve our midfield though.

You can't replace Scholes and Keane, they were among the very best at what they did. Of course losing both was a huge blow, Barca losing Xavi and Iniesta would be massive blow. It's like saying "oh well just replace Zidane when he retires", there aren't that many top players out there and the ones that are would cost a fortune or aren't available.
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