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| InWengerWeTrust | Nov 1 2011, 11:33 AM Post #31 |
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At Aguero's age? Name away...... Also he seems to picked up where he left off in La Liga so he is showing his class already. Cesc is the 3rd best CM in La Liga. He hasn't been there that long. (although he rarely plays CM ) Why? Becuase he has spent longer in the EPL? Don't agree thats enough. I'd much rather Aguero to Rooney. Such as? If you mean it in terms of overall play then I might agree as Aguero is an out and out CF. Its a mistake made too often that he isn't but if you mean in terms of ability then I very much disagree. Aguero will be the better of the two when both at their peak for me. |
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| mcfc1975 | Nov 1 2011, 11:43 AM Post #32 |
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Aguero looks slightly off the pace still, we wont see the best of him until after Jan, maybe even next year |
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| Victor | Nov 1 2011, 11:59 AM Post #33 |
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Never mentioned age, isnt an issue I thought we were discussing, just if players dont always settle at another club, let alone another league. Cesc is what? Ok then, again as good as he was here he has to prove that all over again in spain to be considered that. Im still not sure he will even play in CM unless others are injured or the games deemed an easy one. Its Inesta, Xavi & a more combat minded player in CM for Barca. Aguero or Rooney - I guess thats down to an opinion. As far as saying who has performed better in the EPL though there is no comparrison, its Rooney & yes some of that might well be down to the fact Aguero has not had the time yet. i have never really seen Aguero as an out & out number 9, I'm of course not an expert so if you say he is then I'll agree. I see him more of a 2nd striker in the same mould as the likes of RVP, Rooney, Suarez etc. Edited by Victor, Nov 1 2011, 12:00 PM.
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| InWengerWeTrust | Nov 1 2011, 12:04 PM Post #34 |
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Yes and the vast majority will have been old which is my point. How many at his age failed? They change their formation for Cesc. The guy is pure class and as I expected he will not be on their bench. He plays more of an AM role in a 343 but it doesn't change that he is the 3rd best CM in the league. He doesn't need to prove it again. If Messi joined the PL he wouldn't have to play a single minute to be the best player in the league. We just know he would be. I'd like to see what lunatic would not say its down to him not having had the time. Of course Rooney has done more in the PL but that does not make him a better player. RvP is not a second striker. His best form has always come as the main striker. Wenger almost ruined him by thinking he was Bergkamp and making him play a deeper role. |
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| Victor | Nov 1 2011, 12:15 PM Post #35 |
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Why does the age matter in this conversation mate? Or indeed if Aguero will become an EPL great? I'm talking about whos the best (proven) EPL striker at this time & tbh I'm struggling to fathom why a fellow gooner is not agreeing with me that RVP is better than Augero at this juncture. Im sure there are a few younlings with so called top class credentials that have gone on big fee's and failed as we both know - benzema took his time, Reyes, J Quaresma & huntleelar both flopped for a start & dont forget Aguero isnt some 19 year old with no experience. He's over 23 and played top flight for years after already making a huge move. |
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| InWengerWeTrust | Nov 1 2011, 12:20 PM Post #36 |
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Players who are older will find it harder to adapt thats why I mentioned age. I said at the time when he signed if you are questioning him settling you're crazy. Azward of course tried to argue otherwise that it could happen but in reality he was never ever going to fail to adapt and he is already showing he is class so for me its already happened 8 games 9 goals for Aguero. I know he is 23 and has played top flight football for years its kinda why I rate him on van Persie's level. I've seen what he can do and for me its good enough to put him on RvP's level. |
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| Victor | Nov 1 2011, 12:33 PM Post #37 |
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I cant disagree with any of that, Im just saying at the moment he hasnt done enough here to warrant a place alongisde RVP imo. He wasnt exactly a Messi in la liga - along, long way from it. I also neamed a few big movers that have failed at a young age, so it does happen, but again on the whole I agree with you. & cesc does have to prove himself all over again to compared to Xavi & inesta let alone take their place, well i think so anyway. I didnt say he would be on their bench either, but he wont feature as a CM as such while those other 2 are around. The again inesta has been moved around a little & flexiblity is god in football to me so who knows. Anyway wtf has this got to do with RVP being better than Aguero ! |
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| InWengerWeTrust | Nov 1 2011, 12:38 PM Post #38 |
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So if Messi moved to the PL we couldn't say he is the best player here? No one is a Messi anywhere, the guy is in a league of his own Has Benzema failed? Huntelaar was never that good, Quaresma is a spoofer and Reyes for me is the only genuine flop.Its an example of another player who has moved to a different league and just becuase they have moved it doesn't mean they are not better than other players in that league becuase he is. Cesc is better than every CM other than Xavi and Iniesta so why should he not be rated as such? Same as Aguero in the Prem. |
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| Victor | Nov 1 2011, 12:53 PM Post #39 |
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I dont think Messi could be lablelled the best player in the EPL if he moved here until he proved he can (which im sure he would) play here week in week out under our conditions. Im talking about how players have perfomed in the EPL over time not how good they were somewhere else before they came here I didnt say benzema's failed, i said he struggled to start & he hasnt justified his fee yet. Not even a nailed on first 11 starter. I agree about cesc, not sure why you are repeating??? |
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| InWengerWeTrust | Nov 1 2011, 01:07 PM Post #40 |
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So untill he proved he could every single player that can play in the league would be better? I am confused to how this works. Its just silly imo. Messi would comfortably be the best player in the league. So that has nothing to do with players flopping then becuase he hasn't. Becuase asked why I mentioned him. |
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| Victor | Nov 1 2011, 02:47 PM Post #41 |
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Of course not, dont take it out of context. Even half a messi would be better than most EPL. I am simply saying a player should have to perform in/at any said level or league to be a success there. You cant judge them in a new arena until they have performed there. & lets not forget messi is an exception. Take someone like Forlan though or say rossi. Both flopped at Utd but certainly havent in la liga. Maybe a very good la liga player like pepe for example just wouldnt cut it here or just not settle. Messi is not the norm. & i agreed about Cesc, so why keep banging on about it? nevermind, lost in translation i guess. Im not understanding what you mean (not with regards to how good he is or how he has fitted in) It doesnt really matter, its a simply chat about you thinking Aguero is better then RVP. |
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| Tempest | Nov 1 2011, 03:21 PM Post #42 |
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In the calendar year 2011 Robin van Persie has proven himself to be the most lethal goal machine the Premier League has to offer. At the tail end of last season when every other Gunners player had turned shite he was banging in the goals for us in a futile attempt to drag us away from the abyss. Quite frankly anyone who argues otherwise is an idiot. |
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| The Sicilian | Nov 1 2011, 04:26 PM Post #43 |
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Makes you wonder what he could have been minus the injuries really. |
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| InWengerWeTrust | Nov 2 2011, 04:48 AM Post #44 |
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That is exactly what you are saying so don't deny it. If he can't be the best then he can't be better than anyone who has proved themselves in the legaue, you can't just pick and choose. I disagree either way he'd be twice as good as the second best (on an off day). In termso f ability he would be No.1 so he is the best player. Rossi did not flop at United, he didn't get a chance. Aguero has settled though and is playing well so I have no idea why you we are bothering with this he has already shown his quality and he isn't even at 100% yet. Its another example as I said. |
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| Victor | Nov 2 2011, 02:59 PM Post #45 |
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No thats not what I am saying & comapring Aguero to Messi is folly. Im saying to be the best in any set league you have to prove yourself in the said arena. Messi (although) I doubt it might well flop in the EPL & then couldnt claim to be the best in that league, however he then could go back to La Liga & again tear teams apart. Rossi flopped and was sold on. Im not saying Aguero has flopped or that he hasnt settled either, Im just saying he isnt/hasnt performed to the constant levels of RVP & thats a fact. |
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Has Benzema failed? Huntelaar was never that good, Quaresma is a spoofer and Reyes for me is the only genuine flop.

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