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Who is the best striker in the world?
Topic Started: Nov 2 2011, 09:37 AM (1,004 Views)
InWengerWeTrust
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Ronaldo plays wide of the forwards so i'd call him a wing foward but now Messi has become a 'false No.9' he is very much a striker and he is the central player upfront. Tbh if you watch how Barcelona play they don't really have a striker but Messi would be the one if you were to say they had one.
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Nov 2 2011, 03:28 PM
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Nov 2 2011, 03:26 PM
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Nov 2 2011, 03:21 PM
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Nov 2 2011, 03:19 PM
Messi has scored way more penalties/tap in's this season than Ronaldo, does that mean his superior goal tally doesnt show him to be superior at all?
3 penalties each this season and tap ins, guesswork? You do know I know you barely watch la Liga too. Infact you always bitch at me for watching too much of it so please do not try it GB.
Messi would've had more if he didn't bottle it against Sevilla.
Last season it was 4 penalties to 8 with Ronaldo scoring the 8.
So? :lol:
We are on about the whole time both have been in La Liga together so why would it not matter?
It's got nothing to do with Messi bottling it against Sevilla. Well done on trying to gloss over that FACT.
Ok then what does Messi having missed a pen have to do with how many they've scored? :S Nothing.
That Messi bottled the chance to have scored more (and win the game). Ronaldo would have snapped up that chance :balotelli:
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Nov 2 2011, 03:37 PM
So becuase you don't see it that means it doesn't exist? :rofl: Thats nice.

Now there was a reason I seperated them so i'll give you another go at guessing why.

Wrong. The only fact is you didn't watch either of them last month.
The fact is the only game in La Liga that Messi was half decent in was on Saturday, the parts of the game i saw in the kebab shop, early on, showed him scoring a penalty and a tap in, fact is if Ronaldo had done that you would argue its only a penalty and a tap in, but with Messi it doesn't make a difference.
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Messi has scored way more penalties/tap in's this season than Ronaldo, does that mean his superior goal tally doesnt show him to be superior at all?
3 penalties each this season and tap ins, guesswork? You do know I know you barely watch la Liga too. Infact you always bitch at me for watching too much of it so please do not try it GB.
Messi would've had more if he didn't bottle it against Sevilla.
Last season it was 4 penalties to 8 with Ronaldo scoring the 8.
So? :lol:
We are on about the whole time both have been in La Liga together so why would it not matter?
It's got nothing to do with Messi bottling it against Sevilla. Well done on trying to gloss over that FACT.
Ok then what does Messi having missed a pen have to do with how many they've scored? :S Nothing.
That Messi bottled the chance to have scored more (and win the game). Ronaldo would have snapped up that chance :balotelli:
Yep that has nothing to do with how many they scored though. Same ammount of penalties and Messi has 10 more goals. Thats the stat we should be looking at for this season.
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Nov 2 2011, 03:36 PM
I'm sorry what did your post say? He had the better goal/game ratio? He doesn't. Its that simple. You moved the goalposts when you knew you were wrong.
you dont have to apologise, its ok, we can all be wrong.

i didnt move the goal posts, you jumped to a MASSIVE conclusion as someone dared to say another player is better than messi

but you do agree that ronaldo has a better strikerate that messi since they have both played in the same league over the same period of time?

so ronaldo has been better for the last 3 years?
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An out and out striker is really judged on the goals they score, assists are secondary to poachers of the highest order, indeed they dont think about options. they put the ball in the net (or try to) & then worry about options. players like ronaldo and messi are not as selfish as pure strikers, they score goals and also think from time to time.

or is that just pure bollox?

pens of course are goals, but they are easier to get & that should be considered. A striker who has scored 20 goals (15 pens) in 20 games shouldnt have the same accolades as a striker who has scored 15 in 20 with no pens
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Nov 2 2011, 03:38 PM
Can someone define what a striker is & do people class all attacking players as strikers these days. if you score enough goals do you automatically become a striker?

I personally wouldnt class either messi or ronaldo as out and out strikers like say Drogba or going back a while RVN.

both are great attacking players that score shed loads of goals
messi starts the match in the CF role, thats where he is put on the team sheet. he is a striker, regardless of where he roams around the pitch he is in the team to score goals. no idea about ronaldo, i find madrid boring to watch so rarely do.
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Nov 2 2011, 03:41 PM
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Nov 2 2011, 03:37 PM
So becuase you don't see it that means it doesn't exist? :rofl: Thats nice.

Now there was a reason I seperated them so i'll give you another go at guessing why.

Wrong. The only fact is you didn't watch either of them last month.
The fact is the only game in La Liga that Messi was half decent in was on Saturday, the parts of the game i saw in the kebab shop, early on, showed him scoring a penalty and a tap in, fact is if Ronaldo had done that you would argue its only a penalty and a tap in, but with Messi it doesn't make a difference.
I've not said it doesn't make a difference so guesswork. Only game he was half decent in? You do not watch La Liga so stop guessing :lol: You can play well and not score.
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Nov 2 2011, 03:43 PM
An out and out striker is really judged on the goals they score, assists are secondary to poachers of the highest order, indeed they dont think about options. they put the ball in the net (or try to) & then worry about options. players like ronaldo and messi are not as selfish as pure strikers, they score goals and also think from time to time.

or is that just pure bollox?

pens of course are goals, but they are easier to get & that should be considered. A striker who has scored 20 goals (15 pens) in 20 games shouldnt have the same accolades as a striker who has scored 15 in 20 with no pens
This is why many considered RVN to be a better striker than Henry, but at the same time to consider Henry the better player as he was a better all round forward.
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can someone delete this thread

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So becuase you don't see it that means it doesn't exist? :rofl: Thats nice.

Now there was a reason I seperated them so i'll give you another go at guessing why.

Wrong. The only fact is you didn't watch either of them last month.
The fact is the only game in La Liga that Messi was half decent in was on Saturday, the parts of the game i saw in the kebab shop, early on, showed him scoring a penalty and a tap in, fact is if Ronaldo had done that you would argue its only a penalty and a tap in, but with Messi it doesn't make a difference.
I've not said it doesn't make a difference so guesswork. Only game he was half decent in? You do not watch La Liga so stop guessing :lol: You can play well and not score.
Im not guessing but i was wrong, he was also good against Santander, slipped my mind, apart from that he had a very very average month by his standards, Ronaldos wasn't even that great of a month but he was the better player of the month.

Out of interest, do they have a player of the month trophy in Spain? It must be amusing assuming it goes to Ronaldo/Messi every month.
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I'm sorry what did your post say? He had the better goal/game ratio? He doesn't. Its that simple. You moved the goalposts when you knew you were wrong.
you dont have to apologise, its ok, we can all be wrong.

i didnt move the goal posts, you jumped to a MASSIVE conclusion as someone dared to say another player is better than messi

but you do agree that ronaldo has a better strikerate that messi since they have both played in the same league over the same period of time?

so ronaldo has been better for the last 3 years?
I haven't yet though. You have, look at the stats I posted for proof.

Yes you did. You said he had the better goal/game ratio and he does not.

In the league he has yes. In Europe Messi has been better and do I have to remind you of the stats of when the goals were scored? Messi's goals won the CL etc.... they didn't come in a group of 13 in 4 games when he had nothing to play for. Messi also has 46 assists in the time its taken Ronaldo to get 28 so no Ronaldo has not been better than Messi.
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Nov 2 2011, 02:17 PM
To be fair Mc using Ronaldos games only in spain is a bit irrelvant considering he was playing in england before, not as if it was a sub standard league
la liga is a lower standard compared to the prem, you can tell just by amount of goals cronaldo scored, messi would not get over 25 goals a season in the prem :thumb:

i just thought it was a more reasonable comparison to make
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Nov 2 2011, 03:40 PM
Ronaldo plays wide of the forwards so i'd call him a wing foward but now Messi has become a 'false No.9' he is very much a striker and he is the central player upfront. Tbh if you watch how Barcelona play they don't really have a striker but Messi would be the one if you were to say they had one.
doesnt messi kind of play wherever he wants? seems to me barca just have a fluid front 3 that rotate. i have noticed messi is more central these days and villa is wider, but i'd hardly say messi is a number 9 as such, a false one? whats that then? does that mean he isnt one?

football these days eh? way to much FM & people claiming to know oh so much about the game.

messi is a great player (possibly already the best i have ever seen) & scored goals for fun. a false number nine indeed.
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