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Merchandise; Should clubs give it away for free?
Topic Started: Nov 23 2011, 02:49 PM (746 Views)
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PaNaMaNiA
Nov 23 2011, 04:31 PM
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Nov 23 2011, 04:29 PM
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Nov 23 2011, 04:28 PM
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Nov 23 2011, 04:18 PM
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Nov 23 2011, 04:04 PM
If you care about the guy you can buy one yourself forget about charity.
I care about every 'guy' who dies in such circumstances. Sadly, it appears too few of our nation do.

I would gladly buy the shirt myself, but you're clearly too mince to understand the request from his family. It's the fact that it would have been donated by the club he loved, that would have made it symbolic. Not just having any Cardiff shirt.

If words such as symbolic, sentimental and honour escape you, look them up. You might learn something about humanity, perhaps even humility.

I aint no mince bro go look in the mirror at youself. You the one here talking like a mince, I got sentiment bro I'm a caring guy but you gotta be real an I'm real here.
are you black?
What you trying to say kid? I'm from Panama you know that my skin color does not matter one bit you gotta be careful who you speaking to like that...............
I'm not looking for an argument and I'm not your Bro.

What I am doing is attempting to get some respect for a young man who has died for his country and would probably have been very proud to have received a shirt donated by his favourite club. He died serving a Welsh Regiment and supported a Welsh club and his family obviously feel that it would have been a nice gesture for their dead son/brother/father etc.

The fact that I have to explain why this type of situation is unique and would not 'open the floodgates for every hard luck story' is a sad indictment of our society and particularly the play station playing youth of today.

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Yo take that sand out your vagina and get real. There is one thing you don't understand here and thats how many people die each day from suffering, wars, abuse etc etc. Every time one person dies you want a corporation to start donating merchandise for them? You know that aint right. If the football club see he dead and want to donate then yeah thats fine, but you dont be asking for freebies, we all got problems, jump in line.
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Nov 23 2011, 04:51 PM
Yo take that sand out your vagina and get real. There is one thing you don't understand here and thats how many people die each day from suffering, wars, abuse etc etc. Every time one person dies you want a corporation to start donating merchandise for them? You know that aint right. If the football club see he dead and want to donate then yeah thats fine, but you dont be asking for freebies, we all got problems, jump in line.
Sand out of my vagina? Brilliant!

I don't think I'll be taking any lectures on how many people die in wars etc, I can assure you I understand that very well.
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Nov 23 2011, 04:43 PM

The fact that I have to explain why this type of situation is unique and would not 'open the floodgates for every hard luck story' is a sad indictment of our society and particularly the play station playing youth of today.

Its also suggesting one persons life is worth more than anothers
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Nov 23 2011, 04:57 PM
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Nov 23 2011, 04:51 PM
Yo take that sand out your vagina and get real. There is one thing you don't understand here and thats how many people die each day from suffering, wars, abuse etc etc. Every time one person dies you want a corporation to start donating merchandise for them? You know that aint right. If the football club see he dead and want to donate then yeah thats fine, but you dont be asking for freebies, we all got problems, jump in line.
Sand out of my vagina? Brilliant!

I don't think I'll be taking any lectures on how many people die in wars etc, I can assure you I understand that very well.
i dont think there is one person in panama who uses the term "Yo take that sand out your vagina"

i am very suspicious :S
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Nov 23 2011, 05:05 PM
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Nov 23 2011, 04:43 PM

The fact that I have to explain why this type of situation is unique and would not 'open the floodgates for every hard luck story' is a sad indictment of our society and particularly the play station playing youth of today.

Its also suggesting one persons life is worth more than anothers
What?

How exactly is his family asking his football club for a shirt to bury him in, suggesting his life is worth more than anothers?

If the family of an Afghan Taliban member asked the same and were denied, when this lads family's request had been granted, you might have a point, but I somehow think that didn't happen.

Do you actually know what is going on in Afghanistan? Does 9/11 or 7/7 mean anything at all to you? Do you care whether or not you or your family and friends will be safe when you travel to your next football match on a bus, plane, train or tube?

Do you have any idea what I'm alluding to?? Somehow, I don't think you do.
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Let's not make this into one of those arguments :lol:
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Fair one Dotty, but understanding what this young man was doing when he died, is key to understanding why this is not just another hard luck story. Although not unique either, the fact that this has become a news item reflects the opinion of many, even if not on this forum.

I can't help but think that a lot of people in Wales, who are quite likely to be Cardiff supporters, will be disgusted by the clubs response and could very well boycott the club and its merchandise machine. It is therefore football related.
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The fact that I have to explain why this type of situation is unique and would not 'open the floodgates for every hard luck story' is a sad indictment of our society and particularly the play station playing youth of today.

Its also suggesting one persons life is worth more than anothers
What?

How exactly is his family asking his football club for a shirt to bury him in, suggesting his life is worth more than anothers?

If the family of an Afghan Taliban fighter asked the same and were denied, when this lads family's request had been granted, you might have a point, but I somehow think that didn't happen.

Do you actually know what is going on in Afghanistan? Does 9/11 or 7/7 mean anything at all to you? Do you care whether or not you or your family and friends will be safe when you travel to your next football match on a bus, plane, train or tube?

Do you have any idea what I'm alluding to?? Somehow, I don't think you do.
Easy mate, it was just an observation. I'm very proud and support the troops. But it is their choice to join the army. The life of a soldier is the same as that of a nurse or an office worker to the family involved.

If a 25 year old cleaner dies, does or should the same happen? If not why not? Is the life of someone worth more than anothers? Im not even saying it is or isnt, just a question.

Thanks for the lesson in world politics & terrorism. Nah, im not aware of any of that....
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would you apply the same principles to say a fire-fighter or policeman/woman who dies in the line of duty? what about a foreign aid worker in a hostile country ? is it only deemed worthy for those who are putting their lives at risk? for the rest of us ?
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Victor
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Nov 23 2011, 05:34 PM
Fair one Dotty, but understanding what this young man was doing when he died, is key to understanding why this is not just another hard luck story.
Like I said, he choose to join the army. You know what might happen, me myself.. Well I doubt I'm brave enough & I wouldnt want my children joining (I would be proud if they did though) Thing is if they didnt their lives would still mean the same.

I dont see why a soldier should get something that say a fireman doesnt
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If a 25 year old cleaner dies, does or should the same happen? If not why not? Is the life of someone worth more than anothers? Im not even saying it is or isnt, just a question


Of course people die every day and each occasion is very sad for their family. The reason that this instance is not 'just another death' is because he died believing he was trying to make your life safer...... and he didn't even know you. Whether or not you believe in his motivation for giving his life for you, he did it all the same.

So, to answer your question, if your cleaner died whilst trying to indirectly make your life better, without ever having met you, or even knowing that you existed, then yes, he should also be treated with the same respect.

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Nov 23 2011, 04:43 PM

The fact that I have to explain why this type of situation is unique and would not 'open the floodgates for every hard luck story' is a sad indictment of our society and particularly the play station playing youth of today.

You can fork right off with that one. Because we don't agree with your idealistic views we are a sad indictment of society. How about you crawl out of your own arsehole. People die doing their job every day all over the world, but not every family tries to get a free football top out of pity. no one is knocking the soldier that died it anything like that, it's his family we don't agree with.
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i believe such a notion by the club to give away merchandise would open the floodgates for more requests, where do they then draw the line? who then gets to decide what is deemed worthy or not? would it not open more debate of prejudice etc when those who get declined question the clubs decision?
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Nov 23 2011, 05:44 PM
The reason that this instance is not 'just another death' is because he died believing he was trying to make your life safer...... and he didn't even know you. Whether or not you believe in his motivation for giving his life for you, he did it all the same.


He more than likely joined the Army as a career, not to save the planet. I guess people join the army for different reasons, family orintated, some just like fighting, some cant really get a job with any propects in civvy street & others just join for a laugh.

He died doing a job, thats the bottom line. a noble one perhaps, but a life's a life.

I have a feeling the subject is close to you & I dont want to cause offence or belittle anything you firmly believe in, I totally respect your view :)
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