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Arsenal vs Chelsea
Topic Started: Dec 23 2013, 07:18 AM (3,254 Views)
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I think that's why Chamakh failed
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I think that's way harsh on Giroud tbf. He had a very strong start to the season. Of course there will be some people creeping out now talking about how he's s**t now he's stopped scoring goals but he's shown he can do what he's there to do. He's just gone off the boil now and we need a plan B.
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He scored against some average teams at the start of the season and his goal drought is not the reason for the criticism. I've thought that of him from last season. His all round game as well as in front of goal, he just doesn't look convincing. I wouldn't even have him as a squad player tbh. He's not good enough for Arsenal either.
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stacie
Dec 24 2013, 03:55 PM
I think that's way harsh on Giroud tbf. He had a very strong start to the season. Of course there will be some people creeping out now talking about how he's s**t now he's stopped scoring goals but he's shown he can do what he's there to do. He's just gone off the boil now and we need a plan B.
Tbf his cold streaks have gone on way longer than his hot streak did. Last season he was much more miss than hit and this season it's been about 50/50 for him.
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Dec 24 2013, 03:58 PM
He scored against some average teams at the start of the season and his goal drought is not the reason for the criticism. I've thought that of him from last season. His all round game as well as in front of goal, he just doesn't look convincing. I wouldn't even have him as a squad player tbh. He's not good enough for Arsenal either.
Most strikers are going to score against average teams, most of the teams in the league are average. But I'm not referring to his lack of goals (obviously quite significant right now) he actually plays well, he links up well with the rest of the team. The only other thing I wish he had was more pace.
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Dec 24 2013, 04:02 PM
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Dec 24 2013, 03:58 PM
He scored against some average teams at the start of the season and his goal drought is not the reason for the criticism. I've thought that of him from last season. His all round game as well as in front of goal, he just doesn't look convincing. I wouldn't even have him as a squad player tbh. He's not good enough for Arsenal either.
Most strikers are going to score against average teams, most of the teams in the league are average. But I'm not referring to his lack of goals (obviously quite significant right now) he actually plays well, he links up well with the rest of the team. The only other thing I wish he had was more pace.
But he only seems to score against average teams? I think Napoli and Liverpool are the only exceptions over the last year? And last season he was scoring about 1 in 3 games which for your main striker (especially for a creative team like arsenal) is not good enough. The pace is just one more thing to add. His link up is reasonable but he's there to score. My earlier post really is more about the fact he isn't scrutinised as much as other strikers in the league, which I find surprising.
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Arsenal will never win the league with him as their first choice. Great option but can't be relied on for a full season.

I think he escapes criticism due to him being their only striker. If people call for him to be dropped, the only other options are Bendtner and Sanogo. Sad state of affairs for any team, nevermind one harbouring hopes of challenging for the title.
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I'm not talking about last season, if you really think he wasn't scrutinised last season you must have missed something. He has improved quite a bit and this season he's creating and getting chances against better than average teams so I'm not hugely fussed about your point there - I would just agree that his finishing needs to improve. You've said the lack of goals isn't the basis for your criticism but you're still using it anyway.

I'm really not sure which strikers in the league you're referring who have been scrutinised more than him so can't comment on that.

I think if people are not criticising him as much as they are others, perhaps it's because he never arrived with a world class tag and started in England quite poorly so expectations were set low.
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He is a striker. Why wouldn't his lack of goals be scrutinised? :unsure:
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Okay, I've acknowledged that he's stopped scoring goals and I'm not saying that shouldn't be scrutinised.
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Dec 24 2013, 04:21 PM
I'm not talking about last season, if you really think he wasn't scrutinised last season you must have missed something. He has improved quite a bit and this season he's creating and getting chances against better than average teams so I'm not hugely fussed about your point there - I would just agree that his finishing needs to improve. You've said the lack of goals isn't the basis for your criticism but you're still using it anyway.

I'm really not sure which strikers in the league you're referring who have been scrutinised more than him so can't comment on that.

I think if people are not criticising him as much as they are others, perhaps it's because he never arrived with a world class tag and started in England quite poorly so expectations were set low.
I never mentioned him being scrutinised last season. But in order to scrutinise the player now, you would look at his overall time at a club (he may have had a great first season but a poor second one so it would be unfair to criticise him, for example). The only reason I mentioned last season was to support the fact that he only really scores against average teams (I was actually trying to avoid being disrespectful to those teams, he scores against dross mainly tbh) and that certainly hasn't improved this season. As has been mentioned, he's more miss than hit, and personally he doesn't seem convincing as a striker. The current goal drought isn't the sole reason for the criticism btw but his goal scoring is generally what he should be judged on, particularly as the main striker at a club like Arsenal. I think of Chamakh, Gervinho and even Walcott, and they were much more under the spotight imo.
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Chamakh and Gervinho are the strikers who are performing better but are not under as much scrutiny? I dunno about that but for Arsenal they were worse I could understand them being under the spotlight more tbh.

Walcott, well I'd agree he's been more harshly criticised but I think he came with more expectation and hype really. I think Giroud started poorly and improved whereas the three players you mentioned went about things the other way round.

I'm not saying Giroud should remain as Arsenal's first choice or is good enough to do so, just I think he's not as bad as you're trying to make out. I'd agree he needs to pick back up the goalscoring and improve his finishing though, as like I said he's certainly getting the opportunities against all types of teams.
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That first sentence doesn't make sense. I think you've misunderstood. I never said they performed better, or that they received less scrutiny? They are all comparable but they got a lot of criticism and scrutiny from fans and press alike. There are other players in the prem that get criticised (some always, others sometimes) but I'm not going to list them all, we all know them when we see them. Does Giroud - I don't believe so.

I haven't really seen an improvement with Giroud for the reasons I've stated in previous posts. He'll do well against the bottom half teams but I don't believe that's really good enough for Arsenal or any top 4 team. Another way to look at it is (having watched him over the last 16 months at arsenal) which clubs aiming for top 4 would he improve? :S
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