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Man United vs Swansea; FA Cup
Topic Started: Jan 5 2014, 04:37 PM (5,932 Views)
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LongLivetheKingRooney
Jan 5 2014, 10:36 PM
treble, what the hell are you talking about
Well relegation is pretty forking bad mate, and yet you're saying he went on to be thought of fondly. Maybe same will happen with you and Moyes (without the relegation hopefully :lol: )
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treble
Jan 5 2014, 10:37 PM
LongLivetheKingRooney
Jan 5 2014, 10:35 PM
treble
Jan 5 2014, 10:33 PM
LongLivetheKingRooney
Jan 5 2014, 10:27 PM
treble
Jan 5 2014, 10:24 PM
Yeh I would say so, why not? Club stuck by him for long enough :S
he never really underachieved though did he?

edit: i know he was relegated in his first year but the doc years are always looked on with fondness
So let me get this right, he takes over from the club's most successful manager to date, almost gets the club relegated, then does get the club relegated.... and YOU are saying he didn't underachieve. If you had been around back then you would have been calling for his head inside a week :moon:
he took over Frank O'Farrell mate
That was like a year, doesn't count. Best left under Docherty so that's all that matters :p
Of course it counts, Moyes to Fergie is what O'Farrell was to Busby
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treble
Jan 5 2014, 10:39 PM
LongLivetheKingRooney
Jan 5 2014, 10:36 PM
treble, what the hell are you talking about
Well relegation is pretty forking bad mate, and yet you're saying he went on to be looked at fondly. Maybe same will happen with you and Moyes (without the relegation hopefully :lol: )
they are completely different scenarios mate. theres no sense in the point you're making :lol:
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Jan 5 2014, 10:29 PM
treble
Jan 5 2014, 10:18 PM
UwesGrandad
Jan 5 2014, 10:04 PM
treble
Jan 5 2014, 08:23 PM
Stryke
Jan 5 2014, 08:18 PM
treble
Jan 5 2014, 07:09 PM
and Fabio off :champion:


treble
Jan 5 2014, 07:04 PM
Fabio on :champion:


:liverpool:

There is no way the Glazers are going to let him survive until the end of the season at this rate. I'm still don't want him fired mid season, despite the fact that I was disappointed by his appointment (either they go for stability and keep all the backroom staff or they take the gamble and go for an all out change with someone else, not this) and United are doing so poorly. But I just can't see how he is going to last. No sign of improved results at all.

It's a catch 22, give him the funds to improve the team and he doesn't get top 4, means money wasted and players unsuitable for another manager, or wait and see and he doesn't get top 4 in which case he may have, had he been given the funds.

I really don't want him sacked tbh. He is the manager and holds ultimate responsibility, but it's also the players fault and the lack of quality in the squad in certain areas.
I think he deserves another 5.5 years lads, dont be so rash :angry:

Isn't he the 4th or 5th highest paid manager in Europe on over 7m a season? Would that mean a payoff of over 38m to get shot of him?

The pressure on him to succeed now is absolutely shocking but I think United pulling the trigger now is unlikely.
Lets not forget this is a club and set of fans that has prided themselves on sticking by their man...... but just shows how much easier this is when your man is successful!!!



Not really mate, we stuck by Ron Atkinson, Sexton, Docherty for long enough :rofl:
As in the managers you had BEFORE Fergies 26 year reign ;)
Back then you lot didn't ram the stability = success thing down everyones throats. Everyone knows that to be true but you also need a good mamager in the first place.

My mate is a season ticket holder at OT and for years he bragged about how many of Citys managers Fergie 'seen off'. Looking forward to you guys joining the sack club :)
We're nowhere near there mate :lol:
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LongLivetheKingRooney
Jan 5 2014, 10:39 PM
treble
Jan 5 2014, 10:37 PM
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Jan 5 2014, 10:35 PM
treble
Jan 5 2014, 10:33 PM
LongLivetheKingRooney
Jan 5 2014, 10:27 PM
treble
Jan 5 2014, 10:24 PM
Yeh I would say so, why not? Club stuck by him for long enough :S
he never really underachieved though did he?

edit: i know he was relegated in his first year but the doc years are always looked on with fondness
So let me get this right, he takes over from the club's most successful manager to date, almost gets the club relegated, then does get the club relegated.... and YOU are saying he didn't underachieve. If you had been around back then you would have been calling for his head inside a week :moon:
he took over Frank O'Farrell mate
That was like a year, doesn't count. Best left under Docherty so that's all that matters :p
Of course it counts, Moyes to Fergie is what O'Farrell was to Busby
Does this mean if Moyes replacement gets you relegated he'll be thought of fondly????

Cos I know I for one will think his farts smell like forkin roses :lol:
Will be keeping Cech in my pocket for the next 3 months. Thanks Pedro :thumb:
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treble
Jan 5 2014, 10:40 PM
UwesGrandad
Jan 5 2014, 10:29 PM
treble
Jan 5 2014, 10:18 PM
UwesGrandad
Jan 5 2014, 10:04 PM
treble
Jan 5 2014, 08:23 PM
Stryke
Jan 5 2014, 08:18 PM
treble
Jan 5 2014, 07:09 PM
and Fabio off :champion:


treble
Jan 5 2014, 07:04 PM
Fabio on :champion:


:liverpool:

There is no way the Glazers are going to let him survive until the end of the season at this rate. I'm still don't want him fired mid season, despite the fact that I was disappointed by his appointment (either they go for stability and keep all the backroom staff or they take the gamble and go for an all out change with someone else, not this) and United are doing so poorly. But I just can't see how he is going to last. No sign of improved results at all.

It's a catch 22, give him the funds to improve the team and he doesn't get top 4, means money wasted and players unsuitable for another manager, or wait and see and he doesn't get top 4 in which case he may have, had he been given the funds.

I really don't want him sacked tbh. He is the manager and holds ultimate responsibility, but it's also the players fault and the lack of quality in the squad in certain areas.
I think he deserves another 5.5 years lads, dont be so rash :angry:

Isn't he the 4th or 5th highest paid manager in Europe on over 7m a season? Would that mean a payoff of over 38m to get shot of him?

The pressure on him to succeed now is absolutely shocking but I think United pulling the trigger now is unlikely.
Lets not forget this is a club and set of fans that has prided themselves on sticking by their man...... but just shows how much easier this is when your man is successful!!!



Not really mate, we stuck by Ron Atkinson, Sexton, Docherty for long enough :rofl:
As in the managers you had BEFORE Fergies 26 year reign ;)
Back then you lot didn't ram the stability = success thing down everyones throats. Everyone knows that to be true but you also need a good mamager in the first place.

My mate is a season ticket holder at OT and for years he bragged about how many of Citys managers Fergie 'seen off'. Looking forward to you guys joining the sack club :)
We're nowhere near there mate :lol:
Soon Trebs....just a matter of time now ;)
Will be keeping Cech in my pocket for the next 3 months. Thanks Pedro :thumb:
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Jan 5 2014, 10:39 PM
treble
Jan 5 2014, 10:39 PM
LongLivetheKingRooney
Jan 5 2014, 10:36 PM
treble, what the hell are you talking about
Well relegation is pretty forking bad mate, and yet you're saying he went on to be looked at fondly. Maybe same will happen with you and Moyes (without the relegation hopefully :lol: )
they are completely different scenarios mate. theres no sense in the point you're making :lol:
no sense? ofcourse there is. Even IF I go by your OFarrell comment (which btw is not true) then surely the next manager to come in should have improved the team (that is what YOU would expect) not get them relegated. That's like saying Moyes gets sacked, another manager comes in and the club get relegated. You would have a coronary :lol: But if you're saying you'd accept that and wait for him to succeed for another 3/4 years just so he can be considered in fond terms then surely Moyes deserves the same courtesy?
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Jan 5 2014, 10:43 PM
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Jan 5 2014, 10:39 PM
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Jan 5 2014, 10:37 PM
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Jan 5 2014, 10:35 PM
treble
Jan 5 2014, 10:33 PM
LongLivetheKingRooney
Jan 5 2014, 10:27 PM
treble
Jan 5 2014, 10:24 PM
Yeh I would say so, why not? Club stuck by him for long enough :S
he never really underachieved though did he?

edit: i know he was relegated in his first year but the doc years are always looked on with fondness
So let me get this right, he takes over from the club's most successful manager to date, almost gets the club relegated, then does get the club relegated.... and YOU are saying he didn't underachieve. If you had been around back then you would have been calling for his head inside a week :moon:
he took over Frank O'Farrell mate
That was like a year, doesn't count. Best left under Docherty so that's all that matters :p
Of course it counts, Moyes to Fergie is what O'Farrell was to Busby
Does this mean if Moyes replacement gets you relegated he'll be thought of fondly????

Cos I know I for one will think his farts smell like forkin roses :lol:
look, all I said was docherty never really underachieved. the two years previous to doc coming in united had 48 and 43 points (from a 42 game season) and docherty came in half way through the season and finished with 37 3 places above relegation. in his first full season united were relegated with 32 points. its not like docherty took over busby and was the cause of an extreme fall from grace like Moyes has done this year
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Jan 5 2014, 10:45 PM
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Jan 5 2014, 10:39 PM
treble
Jan 5 2014, 10:39 PM
LongLivetheKingRooney
Jan 5 2014, 10:36 PM
treble, what the hell are you talking about
Well relegation is pretty forking bad mate, and yet you're saying he went on to be looked at fondly. Maybe same will happen with you and Moyes (without the relegation hopefully :lol: )
they are completely different scenarios mate. theres no sense in the point you're making :lol:
no sense? ofcourse there is. Even IF I go by your OFarrell comment (which btw is not true) then surely the next manager to come in should have improved the team (that is what YOU would expect) not get them relegated. That's like saying Moyes gets sacked, another manager comes in and the club get relegated. You would have a coronary :lol: But if you're saying you'd accept that and wait for him to succeed for another 3/4 years just so he can be considered in fond terms then surely Moyes deserves the same courtesy?
what's false about it? it's long been accepted that O'farrell was never up to the job and that united got the appointment after busby well wrong. the comparison to make is Moyes and O'farrell, not docherty. if moyes is sacked after dragging the team down the table, then the manager coming after isn't going to have the same expectations lumped on him. a relegation coming off years of mediocrity is completely different to one coming a year or two after winning the league by 12 points.
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i cant believe you can't see the difference between united in 1972 and united in 2013
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Oh come off it Viva :lol: we finished 11th in Busby's last season and the three after that were 8th. Even if Docherty steadied the ship after O'Farrell and we finished 18th, that's 10 position drop. I'm not criticising him for that, but the next season YOU would expect him to be taking them back to around 8th surely, not getting them relegated. There's no way you'd be saying "he doesn't deserve to be sacked" if you were around back then at relegation, not a forking chance. fork no!
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Football has changed so much. Absolutely ridiculous to use what happened back then to back your claims.
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What claim is that? :blink:
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treble
Jan 5 2014, 11:23 PM
What claim is that? :blink:
A better one than we gave other managers a chance so let's give this failure a chance. With all the money etc.... Involved now you can't let him fork it up. You say you'd be embarrassed to sack him but I think you're looking worse for not putting right a major fork up.
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It's okay though Treb, the more deluded fans backing him the better for clubs like Arsenal.
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