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Man United vs Swansea; FA Cup
Topic Started: Jan 5 2014, 04:37 PM (5,931 Views)
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The Chosen Juan
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Jan 5 2014, 11:28 PM
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Jan 5 2014, 11:23 PM
What claim is that? :blink:
A better one than we gave other managers a chance so let's give this failure a chance. With all the money etc.... Involved now you can't let him fork it up. You say you'd be embarrassed to sack him but I think you're looking worse for not putting right a major fork up.
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Try reading the thread before commenting :lol:
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I presumed it was that as there is no other logical reason to defend Moyes.
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I wasn't defending Moyes, just pulling up Viva on his inconsistencies :D
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Jan 5 2014, 11:28 PM
treble
Jan 5 2014, 11:23 PM
What claim is that? :blink:
A better one than we gave other managers a chance so let's give this failure a chance. With all the money etc.... Involved now you can't let him fork it up. You say you'd be embarrassed to sack him but I think you're looking worse for not putting right a major fork up.
How long do you reckon he should be given? I know he's got a 6 year contract, but I wonder if he'd still be there if hasn't won anything for say, 8/9 years?
Trying to get an accurate picture of reality, even when that's unpleasant or inconvenient!
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Jan 5 2014, 11:40 PM
I wasn't defending Moyes, just pulling up Viva on his inconsistencies :D
you've done nothing but fail to realise there is a difference between today and 40 years ago

still not sure what was false about O'Farrell either :lol:
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Jan 5 2014, 11:43 PM
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Jan 5 2014, 11:28 PM
treble
Jan 5 2014, 11:23 PM
What claim is that? :blink:
A better one than we gave other managers a chance so let's give this failure a chance. With all the money etc.... Involved now you can't let him fork it up. You say you'd be embarrassed to sack him but I think you're looking worse for not putting right a major fork up.
How long do you reckon he should be given? I know he's got a 6 year contract, but I wonder if he'd still be there if hasn't won anything for say, 8/9 years?
Dig at Wenger. Wenger has done a job at Arsenal as good as any manager has at any club. We can compete financially without a sugar daddy because of Wenger, we have the stadium we have because of Wenger. Wenger is an absolute genius for what he has done. He turned us into a consistent top 4 side too. He isn't ranked amongst the best due to the lack or trophies but for the job he has done he's as good as anyone.
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Give him no time at all just get rid now we can afford his comp
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Missing out the CL will cost you £20m and sacking him which surely couldn't be too long after will cost a large fee too. Of course United can cope financially without the CL but no champions league and Moyes as the manager. I'm not so sure the best players would consider joining and with Vidic, RvP needing replacing soon having Moyes as the manager would be a disaster IMO.
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Jan 5 2014, 11:46 PM
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Jan 5 2014, 11:40 PM
I wasn't defending Moyes, just pulling up Viva on his inconsistencies :D
you've done nothing but fail to realise there is a difference between today and 40 years ago

still not sure what was false about O'Farrell either :lol:
Respond to my previous post comparing the 8th place finish to relegation. Forget 40 years ago, if that happened today you'd be calling for his head :p
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Jan 5 2014, 11:51 PM
Fat Frank
Jan 5 2014, 11:43 PM
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Jan 5 2014, 11:28 PM
treble
Jan 5 2014, 11:23 PM
What claim is that? :blink:
A better one than we gave other managers a chance so let's give this failure a chance. With all the money etc.... Involved now you can't let him fork it up. You say you'd be embarrassed to sack him but I think you're looking worse for not putting right a major fork up.
How long do you reckon he should be given? I know he's got a 6 year contract, but I wonder if he'd still be there if hasn't won anything for say, 8/9 years?
Dig at Wenger. Wenger has done a job at Arsenal as good as any manager has at any club. We can compete financially without a sugar daddy because of Wenger, we have the stadium we have because of Wenger. Wenger is an absolute genius for what he has done. He turned us into a consistent top 4 side too. He isn't ranked amongst the best due to the lack or trophies but for the job he has done he's as good as anyone.
No, it wasn't a dig at Wenger, or even Arsenal.

Clubs like Chelsea are criticised for sacking their managers if they fail to win the league; the cry being that stability is the key to long term success, rather than the short termism that clubs seem to go in for nowadays.

However, when missing out on CL football and the financial and transfer implications associated with that scenario starts to become a very real risk, people panic.

I know that some have said that they'd forgo success this year if by doing so, longer term success returns, but just like every other fan at every other club that it happens to, Manyoo fans are now panicking.

I'm not saying that Moyes should stay or go, I'm just saying even when you predict a slump and accept that it's inevitable, it still scares the shite out of you when it actually happens.

I know what it's like having a shite manager that you didn't want in the first place.
Trying to get an accurate picture of reality, even when that's unpleasant or inconvenient!
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Jan 6 2014, 12:06 AM
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Jan 5 2014, 11:46 PM
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Jan 5 2014, 11:40 PM
I wasn't defending Moyes, just pulling up Viva on his inconsistencies :D
you've done nothing but fail to realise there is a difference between today and 40 years ago

still not sure what was false about O'Farrell either :lol:
Respond to my previous post comparing the 8th place finish to relegation. Forget 40 years ago, if that happened today you'd be calling for his head :p
Doc never finished 8th, treble. He took over when united were 21st in the table and one point above the bottom team. That's where he took over, not the 8th placed team.
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Jan 6 2014, 12:12 AM
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Jan 5 2014, 11:51 PM
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Jan 5 2014, 11:43 PM
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Jan 5 2014, 11:28 PM
treble
Jan 5 2014, 11:23 PM
What claim is that? :blink:
A better one than we gave other managers a chance so let's give this failure a chance. With all the money etc.... Involved now you can't let him fork it up. You say you'd be embarrassed to sack him but I think you're looking worse for not putting right a major fork up.
How long do you reckon he should be given? I know he's got a 6 year contract, but I wonder if he'd still be there if hasn't won anything for say, 8/9 years?
Dig at Wenger. Wenger has done a job at Arsenal as good as any manager has at any club. We can compete financially without a sugar daddy because of Wenger, we have the stadium we have because of Wenger. Wenger is an absolute genius for what he has done. He turned us into a consistent top 4 side too. He isn't ranked amongst the best due to the lack or trophies but for the job he has done he's as good as anyone.
No, it wasn't a dig at Wenger, or even Arsenal.

Clubs like Chelsea are criticised for sacking their managers if they fail to win the league; the cry being that stability is the key to long term success, rather than the short termism that clubs seem to go in for nowadays.

However, when missing out on CL football and the financial and transfer implications associated with that scenario starts to become a very real risk, people panic.

I know that some have said that they'd forgo success this year if by doing so, longer term success returns, but just like every other fan at every other club that it happens to, Manyoo fans are now panicking.

I'm not saying that Moyes should stay or go, I'm just saying even when you predict a slump and accept that it's inevitable, it still scares the shite out of you when it actually happens.

I know what it's like having a shite manager that you didn't want in the first place.

Fair enough. My apologies.

It's different with United IMO. They've never in the Premiership finished outside the top 3 and last season they were champions. I think they knew a bit of a decline was inevitable but what's happened is shocking.
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Jan 6 2014, 12:12 AM
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Jan 6 2014, 12:06 AM
LongLivetheKingRooney
Jan 5 2014, 11:46 PM
treble
Jan 5 2014, 11:40 PM
I wasn't defending Moyes, just pulling up Viva on his inconsistencies :D
you've done nothing but fail to realise there is a difference between today and 40 years ago

still not sure what was false about O'Farrell either :lol:
Respond to my previous post comparing the 8th place finish to relegation. Forget 40 years ago, if that happened today you'd be calling for his head :p
Doc never finished 8th, treble. He took over when united were 21st in the table and one point above the bottom team. That's where he took over, not the 8th placed team.
I never said they were 8th. But they were for the 3 seasons before he took over. If you're blaming O'Farrell for dropping them to 21st and Docherty brought them up to safety, surely the next season you'd expect better, not relegation ffs? YOU of all people would.

OK look at it another way. Moyes has taken United to 8th (from 1st) in December for argument's sake. The next manager comes in now and gets them into around the top 4 or even 5. Would you, Viva, the Victor Meldrew of United fans on here, accept that same manager next season to finish bottom half next season? :rofl: fork off you would.

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Jan 6 2014, 12:23 AM
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Jan 6 2014, 12:12 AM
treble
Jan 6 2014, 12:06 AM
LongLivetheKingRooney
Jan 5 2014, 11:46 PM
treble
Jan 5 2014, 11:40 PM
I wasn't defending Moyes, just pulling up Viva on his inconsistencies :D
you've done nothing but fail to realise there is a difference between today and 40 years ago

still not sure what was false about O'Farrell either :lol:
Respond to my previous post comparing the 8th place finish to relegation. Forget 40 years ago, if that happened today you'd be calling for his head :p
Doc never finished 8th, treble. He took over when united were 21st in the table and one point above the bottom team. That's where he took over, not the 8th placed team.
I never said they were 8th. But they were for the 3 seasons before he took over. If you're blaming O'Farrell for dropping them to 21st and Docherty brought them up to safety, surely the next season you'd expect better, not relegation ffs? YOU of all people would.

OK look at it another way. Moyes has taken United to 8th (from 1st) in December for argument's sake. The next manager comes in now and gets them into around the top 4 or even 5. Would you, Viva, the Victor Meldrew of United fans on here, accept that same manager next season to finish bottom half next season? :rofl: fork off you would.

treble you're having an absolute nightmare here. there is no coherent point being made. that other way of looking at it is terrible as it in no way represents what happened in the docherty situation.

if you want to dispute the fact that the doc years arent look on with fondness and as some fans favourite years following united then go right ahead, but you are wrong in doing so.
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No, I'm not slating Docherty at all. This is about how YOU approach the same situation in different ways. You may very well say that fans of that era look upon Docherty's time with fondness, but at the end of his first full season (or during) you would have been calling for his head.

We started the convo with the question about the club sticking by managers through thick and thin. You questioned Docherty, but my answer to that is that you're not one to go by the views of other United fans. By your measure of a manager doing a relatively good job or not, I would suggest the club did stick by Docherty.
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