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Man United V Southampton
Topic Started: Jan 11 2015, 04:01 PM (1,432 Views)
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Yeah because people are blaming 100% of injuries on LVG.


Obviously there's wumming in this thread, but you can't honestly believe there's nothing wrong with the fitness regime? Very little rotation over Christmas for example
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Shite game, Mata missed glaring chances. Should've got at least one.

Southampton made everything very compact, we need to revert to a back 4 asap and play ADM central midfield we need him playing from deeper. Blind and Herrera beside him, with Carrick CB. RvP needs dropping, wtf does Falcao have to do to be picked? He's looking sharper and sharper finally then gets dropped.

Poor Xmas period, but first loss in 10 and still top 4 so it's not as dreary as some would like to think considering the monumental challenge.
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Van Persie went off with an ankle injury. Scan tomorrow and won't attend Ballon d'Or ceremony, despite being up for goal-of-the-year.
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Jan 11 2015, 07:43 PM
Yeah because people are blaming 100% of injuries on LVG.


Obviously there's wumming in this thread, but you can't honestly believe there's nothing wrong with the fitness regime? Very little rotation over Christmas for example
Chelsea didn't rotate over Christmas either! In fact, we haven't really rotated all season and we don't have a horrendous list of injuries.

It's funny when pundits think they know better than professional sports coaches, how best to keep/get athletes fit. How's Sturridge's season going?
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Jan 11 2015, 07:48 PM
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Jan 11 2015, 07:43 PM
Yeah because people are blaming 100% of injuries on LVG.


Obviously there's wumming in this thread, but you can't honestly believe there's nothing wrong with the fitness regime? Very little rotation over Christmas for example
Chelsea didn't rotate over Christmas either! In fact, we haven't really rotated all season and we don't have a horrendous list of injuries.

It's funny when pundits think they know better than professional sports coaches, how best to keep/get athletes fit. How's Sturridge's season going?
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Pi55 taking aside, it does make me wonder how one club perennially suffers more injuries than another - Arsenal are the obvious example. You have to assume that Arsenal's staff are as good as the next club's staff, so why do they always get injured.

I don't think this applies to Manyoo (yet). Yes, they've had a bad run of injuries, but it doesn't happen every season in the way that it does with Arsenal.

You have to wonder why that is?
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How they train is the simplest explanation.
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Jan 11 2015, 07:58 PM
How they train is the simplest explanation.
If it was as simple as that, they would adjust their training methods, surely? Coaches throughout football will be aware of how their colleagues at other clubs go about their business, so if you were doing something slightly different and also witnessed season after season of injuries, you would change your regime, wouldn't you?

Training is very scientific nowadays and a scientific approach requires constant analysis. To think that if their methods are different, and those differences are leading to unnecessary injuries, that this wouldn't show up in analysis seems unlikely to me.

Then again, there must be some reason. It can't be down to bad luck.
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How they train is the simplest explanation.
If it was as simple as that, they would adjust their training methods, surely? Coaches throughout football will be aware of how their colleagues at other clubs go about their business, so if you were doing something slightly different and also witnessed season after season of injuries, you would change your regime, wouldn't you?

Training is very scientific nowadays and a scientific approach requires constant analysis. To think that if their methods are different, and those differences are leading to unnecessary injuries, that this wouldn't show up in analysis seems unlikely to me.

Then again, there must be some reason. It can't be down to bad luck.
Why doesn't everyone copy Guardiola's training sessions?

The science in fitness is changing all of the time. Static stretching for example; 10 years ago it was thought the best way to prevent injuries was to do static stretches before exercise. A lot of people still think that because that's what they were taught. Whereas the science nowadays states this is a no no and massively weakens muscles if performed before exercise.

Now look at managers who tend to keep the same backroom staff. They've believed this and used it for 10 years. Why would they listen to the new kid on the block with his fancy dan science. Look at how much grief stats get, people don't like things like that for some reason

HIIT is a relatively new training method as well. But there's a lot of coaches who have their players training like marathon runners for fitness. Why does a footballer need to run 10miles at a steady pace? What game state is that replicating?




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Good points. I don't know the answer, but I guess that's a fair explanation.
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How they train is the simplest explanation.
If it was as simple as that, they would adjust their training methods, surely? Coaches throughout football will be aware of how their colleagues at other clubs go about their business, so if you were doing something slightly different and also witnessed season after season of injuries, you would change your regime, wouldn't you?

Training is very scientific nowadays and a scientific approach requires constant analysis. To think that if their methods are different, and those differences are leading to unnecessary injuries, that this wouldn't show up in analysis seems unlikely to me.

Then again, there must be some reason. It can't be down to bad luck.
Tbf, Arsenal always seem to suffer a lot of injuries every season, so I guess it's not as easy as adjusting training methods; unless Wenger is too blind to see this?
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I've read stuff from Wenger where the system he uses to measure fitness has what he calls a "red zone". Theory is that players in the red zone are not fit to play and have a very high risk of injury. He admitted to playing players that were in this zone. He used Pires as an example, who picked up a bad injury. Wenger admits himself that this was a big mistake. Yet the other week I seen him say Sanchez is in the red zone, yet he plays him in cup games etc. Changing the system won't help someone who doesn't adhere to it for important players


Benitez uses blood tests I think I remember reading :lol:
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Jan 11 2015, 09:37 PM
I've read stuff from Wenger where the system he uses to measure fitness has what he calls a "red zone". Theory is that players in the red zone are not fit to play and have a very high risk of injury. He admitted to playing players that were in this zone. He used Pires as an example, who picked up a bad injury. Wenger admits himself that this was a big mistake. Yet the other week I seen him say Sanchez is in the red zone, yet he plays him in cup games etc. Changing the system won't help someone who doesn't adhere to it for important players


Benitez uses blood tests I think I remember reading :lol:
I heard Wenger wanted to rest Sanchez in the cups but apparently he refused to sit out because it wants to play every minute. :lol:
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Look like Saints are back on track, they seem to be over their blip. I didn't watch the game today but the defeats they had last month don't appear to have stopped them.

Part of me is not surprised that United are dropping a few points. The performances are not consistently what you'd expect from them. I don't remember watching them and thinking they were amazing.
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