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| FLOPP'D | Feb 23 2015, 01:15 PM Post #181 |
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Bumping for reference |
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| The Plastic Flag | Feb 23 2015, 01:24 PM Post #182 |
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I wouldn't disagree, but surely the key to this is whether Barnes's actions were dangerous or not? The analogy that I would make is when a player is punished for a late tackle when he has simply been beaten for pace or skill. In those circumstances, a player rarely intends to commit a foul, rather he is simply beaten by the pace or skill of the victim, but he still receives a yellow card because it is deemed as potentially dangerous or as lack of judgement that could result in injury. I do have sympathy for players in these circumstances because the game is so quick and tough tackles (that are clean) are generally applauded. You made the point last week that Rooney was right to dive in the area because if he hadn't, he might have been fouled and might have been hurt as a result. In this instance, Matic was fouled and was incredibly fortunate not to be seriously hurt. It doesn't excuse his reaction, but does as least question the referee's decision not to punish Barnes. |
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| FLOPP'D | Feb 23 2015, 01:28 PM Post #183 |
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All he's doing it passing the ball though. It's like saying we should ban volleys because if someone comes in late they might take a dangerous karate kick. It doesn't compare with dangerous tackles that miss players. |
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| The Plastic Flag | Feb 23 2015, 01:34 PM Post #184 |
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But aren't you contradiction your own argument from last week? In that instance, the keeper slid in to get the ball and you argued that Rooney was justified in diving because of what might have happened. In this instance, what might have happened did happen and yet you're suggesting that Barnes did nothing wrong? I'm confused by your position in this given your view last week? |
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| FLOPP'D | Feb 23 2015, 01:37 PM Post #185 |
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I don't view a dangerous out of control slide the same way I view normal actions of passing or shooting. |
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| The Plastic Flag | Feb 23 2015, 01:40 PM Post #186 |
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Are you therefore arguing that a keeper should never slide in to a loose ball irrespective of whether he get's the ball or misses the attacking player? Bear in mind that a keeper generally slides in with his body or hands and not his studded boot? |
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| FLOPP'D | Feb 23 2015, 01:43 PM Post #187 |
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It has to be done for the defending team so you could never enforce a ban and not completely alter the sport. But if they get it wrong the attacking player shouldn't have to get hurt for it to be a foul |
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| The Plastic Flag | Feb 23 2015, 01:48 PM Post #188 |
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That sentence is the source of my confusion! What if a player does get hurt and it still isn't given as a foul?? Whatever his intentions, Barnes did get it wrong - how else can you describe his studs being planted half way up Matic's leg? Dangerous actions don't have to be intentional or contrived. Accidental actions can still be dangerous, as this incident clearly illustrates. |
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| FLOPP'D | Feb 23 2015, 01:51 PM Post #189 |
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It's a contact sport, you can get hurt without it being a foul. Barnes didn't get anything wrong. He attempted to pass the ball and did. Matic is the one who got his action wrong. Lets say Costa shoots, a defender slides to block the shot but is late and instead of blocking the ball he takes Costa's follow through from the shot. Should Costa be sent off for kicking him? Of course not. |
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| The Plastic Flag | Feb 23 2015, 02:01 PM Post #190 |
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This is my point. I'm not confused by your analysis of this incident. I don't agree with you, but I get your argument. Where I'm confused is that this week you're saying it's a contact sport . Whereas last week you were applauding a player for diving without being touched. Furthermore, in the example you gave at the end of the attached quoted post, you're saying that the player should not be punished, yet in the real life example (Rooney last week) you said the penalty (the punishment) was correct and yet in that example, there wasn't even any contact? Surely you can see the contradiction? |
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| FLOPP'D | Feb 23 2015, 02:24 PM Post #191 |
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I don't see any contradiction. The two situations aren't the same at all. |
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| FLOPP'D | Feb 23 2015, 03:39 PM Post #192 |
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No FA retrospective action against Ashley Barnes for his challenge on Matic. |
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| mcfc1975 | Feb 23 2015, 03:48 PM Post #193 |
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fixed ![]() in this pic, barnes has already passed the ball, matic gets there late as the ball has already gone imo, it is similar to when a defender is clearing the ball, an attacker comes across and tries to block it, getting the sole of his foot kicked in the process. the defender always gets the foul |
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| The Plastic Flag | Feb 23 2015, 05:11 PM Post #194 |
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That will scupper any hope Chelsea had of getting Matic's red rescinded. If Barnes had been charged for dangerous play, it might have lent credence to Matic's response. Now that we know the FA don't regard the incident as dangerous play, Matic has no defence, I would suggest. |
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| The Plastic Flag | Feb 23 2015, 06:05 PM Post #195 |
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We've done the Matic incident to death, so I'll leave that one, but I agree with Gallagher on the others. I wouldn't have given the hand ball, but I would have given the fouls on Costa and Ivanovic. |
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